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Bigfoot's indelible imprint (No, not Janet Reno...The REAL Bigfoot!)
USA Today ^ | 11-1-02 | Marco R. della Cava

Posted on 11/01/2002 4:17:44 PM PST by Johnny Shear

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:40:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

IN THE SISKIYOU MOUNTAINS, Ore.

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To: Johnny Shear
I used to crawl around in caves a lot. There are a lot of them (caves) around the western mountains, so I got to spend a lot of time in the woods too. I met two people who had seen Bigfoot. One is a lady who was camped with her husband in southern Oregon. They had laid their sleeping bags out behind the car and were more or less sound asleep. She was awakened by a foul odor and realized something was between her and the car. She turned her flashlight on it and saw what she first thought was a bear. Then it turned to see where the light was coming from and she saw its face. She screamed and it took off. Her husband woke up but didn't even see it.
The other was a case where several guys were sleeping in the woods near their jeep. It was a clear night with lots of stars. Again, the odor woke my friend up. He said he could 'feel' something was near, but he couldn't see anything. As a matter of fact, he couldn't see the stars either. He shouted, the stars suddenly reappeared, he woke his partners and they adjourned their camping trip to a nearby city park.
I haven't seen one, but then, I haven't seen the other side of the moon either. I believe there is another side to the moon, just as I believe there is something out there that just wants to be left alone.
21 posted on 11/02/2002 5:08:33 PM PST by oldfart
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To: spetznaz
In my younger days I believed in both Flying Saucers and Bigfoot. There seemed be convincing evidence in those less technically sophisticated times. Most of the photos and other evidence have sense been determined to be hoaxes.

I am now 99% convinced that neither exists nor ever existed. That conclusion results from the lack of video evidence. Today, it seems that 10% of the population travels with camcorders full time and hardly a newsworthy event occurs without good video surfacing almost immediately. Lack of reliable evidence today is very revealing.

22 posted on 11/02/2002 5:15:14 PM PST by Buffalo Head
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To: Buffalo Head
sense = since
23 posted on 11/02/2002 5:16:38 PM PST by Buffalo Head
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To: Antoninus
Granted. Though it is not represented anywhere in the later and contemporary geologic column, and so is most likely extinct from near the time of its last examples. In China, I think.
24 posted on 11/02/2002 5:24:10 PM PST by onedoug
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To: oldfart
You really think if it wanted to be left alone the creature would be checking out automobiles?

Really, this Bigfoot seems as curious about us as we are of it. Or maybe it is a male and a closet automobile freak. This would reinforce my female intuition that testosterone is attracted to the combination of steel, petrol and synthetic rubber!

25 posted on 11/02/2002 9:58:45 PM PST by goody2shooz
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To: oldfart
"I never saw a Bigfoot
I never hope to see one
But I can tell you anyhow
I'd rather see than be one."

Apologies to Mr. Gillete

26 posted on 11/03/2002 11:02:25 AM PST by albee
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To: ErnBatavia
#14 I'm juth' an odinaweh guy. Thith is thimply ludicrith! Bethides, wit' her on the bed in the hotel, how wath' I to wesith?
27 posted on 11/03/2002 11:08:12 AM PST by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: Johnny Shear
Skunk Ape Other mysterious primates of the world may more famous, and more fearsome, and more celebrated in tantalizingly indistinct frames of 16mm film, but only one big hairy monster can rightfully claim to be the stinkiest: the Skunk Ape of the Florida Everglades. The creature is generally described as being about seven feet tall and 300 pounds, covered in a dark fur the color of mud, and bearing a distinct and far-ranging aroma redolent of an unholy mixture of skunk, rotten eggs and cow manure. "It stunk awful, like a dog that hasn't been bathed in a year and suddenly gets rained on," Charlie Stoeckman said in an evocative account of his Skunk Ape sighting in the Florida Keys in 1977. Some accounts indicate that the Skunk Ape has been a part of Everglades lore for decades, but the swamp beast only became widely reported in the cultural aftermath of the 1967 Patterson Bigfoot film. In addition to being an era of Bigfoot mania, the 1970s were also the period when developers began a concerted foray into the Everglades. This led to large numbers of out-of-towners being exposed to the colorful legends of the local folk, who may have been willing to spin extravagant tall tales of the Skunk Ape just to fool the city slickers. Early stories of the Skunk Ape contained a conspiratorial edge, as it was rumored that the government had captured a living specimen and the Army held it captive in a secret vault at Everglades National Park, until the Skunk Ape smashed through a concrete wall and escaped. There are dozens of sightings on record from throughout the '70s, almost all of them containing a specification of the creature's pungent odor. And on the whole, the tales are more tongue-in-cheek than most monster sightings usually are -- the Skunk Ape is regarded as an old buddy rather than a terror of the wild, and in some cases, you can almost see the eyewitness winking at you in the words of his report. "Sometimes, sitting by the fire, I'd hear him walking in the brush," Jim Spink said in describing a Skunk Ape encounter from 1975. "He'd approach, standing there in the jungle. I knew he was there. I'd say, 'Hi, come on in. Have some coffee.' But he never did." Although Skunk Ape sightings have slacked off in recent years, the creature enjoyed something of a comeback in 1997. A guided tour group in Ochopee saw a large, ape-like animal ambling through the outskirts of a swamp. Soon afterward, Ochopee fire chief Vince Doerr saw a similar creature cross the road near his home and rush into the swamp. Doerr managed to take a distant snapshot of the supposed Skunk Ape (shown on this page) before it disappeared. This "first ever photograph" of the Everglades monster stirred a great deal of publicity, but Doerr himself denied that he had captured proof of anything extraordinary. The fire chief believed it was simply a prankster in a gorilla suit. "I just think someone's playing games. I just looked at it and laughed," Doerr said. "If I thought it was real, I would have run in there, beat it to death and sold it to the National Enquirer."


28 posted on 11/03/2002 11:13:34 AM PST by matrix
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To: Physicist
  The Skunk Ape is one of the many local variations
of the Bigfoot phenomena, this one hails from way
down south in Dixie; in particular Florida, the
Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia, (where's he's
been given the delightful moniker, Pigman),
and the swampy bottomlands of the Mississippi River.  The creature became more than just a local story in 1973, when a rash of reports brought him to national attention.  The skunk ape was even covered by all three national TV network news shows, though Walter Cronkite looked
as if he was having a hard time repressing a snicker as
he narrated the account.
  The report that made a celebrity out of the skunk ape
was one in which a Florida man claimed that he had actually hit one of the creatures while it was crossing the road.  The monster was obviously hurt, the man said, but it managed to limp off the road and into the dense swamp, where it disappeared.  The police examined the man's car and determined that he had indeed hit something - the fender was dented and there were traces of blood and fur on the car.  Investigators thought the man had hit a cow.  The witness insisted differently, it was a large hairy biped with an evil smell, he said.  It was the creature known as the skunk ape.
  While a bad odor is a feature of many Bigfoot stories, the Southern variety does appear to possess a particularly awful smell - hence the name skunk ape.  When Ralph Chambers reported spotting the thing near his Elfers, Florida home in 1966, he says that he particularly remembers the creature's sickening odor.  What Chambers saw was big, hairy, over seven feet tall, and four feet wide.  The thing vanished into the swamp and when Chambers tried to track it with his dogs, the poor pooches seemed so disgusted by the strong odor that
                                                       they would not follow the trail.  Chambers
                                                       said that a year later the thing showed up
                                                       in his backyard.  The dogs attacked it, but
                                                       the creature barely noticed.  According to
                                                       Chambers, "The dogs kept on biting at its
                                                       ankles and feet."  But the thing turned very
                                                       slowly away and started walking down the
                                                       road that led back to the swamp.
                                                         A man named H.C. Osborn, an engineer
                                                       and amatuer archaeologist, said that he'd
                                                       been hearing skunk ape stories for years,
                                                       and he was told they had been circulated
                                                       among trappers and fishermen since the
                                                       1920's.  But Osborn insisted he had never
                                                       personally believed any of the stories until
                                                       one day in the spring of 1970 he and four
                                                       friends were digging up an Indian mound
                                                       in Florida's Big Cypress Swamp, and the
                                                       creature popped up right in front of them.
                                                       "It's made a believer out of me," said the
                                                       bewildered Osborn.  He too said the beast
                                                       was seven feet tall, and he estimated that it
                                                       must have weighed some 700 pounds.
  The creature left footprints in the soft earth, and Osborn measured them at a lenght of some17 1/2 inches, and a width of 11 1/4 inches at the toes.  "In later trips we found smaller tracks indicating that there are at least three of them in that section of the swamp."
  One of the other members of Osborn's group, Frank Hudson, said, "We have talked to many old-timers in the area.  They say they are afraid to talk openly about it.  They thought people would laugh at them or think they were crazy."
  In June of 1977, a heavily advertised
film called "Sasquatch" was playing in
Florida.  Commercials for the film were
appearing regularly on television, and
as one might imagine, they seemed to
stimulate a rash of skunk ape sightings.
Three youths reported to the Charlotte
County Sheriff's Department that they
saw the creature twice in one night.
The first sighting took place at 9:00 PM,
the secondaround midnight.  They said
the creature was about seven feet tall,
had reddish-brown, and didn't seem to
friendly, it stood up and then growled
at them.  Deputy Carl Williams drove
all around the area where the sightings
were made.  At a small pond he caught
"something" in the beam of his police
spotlight.  "It was a big animal ... it was
hunched over and seemed to be having
a drink."  It had long brown hair, and
when hit with the spotlight, lumbered
off into the woods.
  The deputy's first thought was that the
creature was a bear, for bears are fairly
common in the region.  "I couldn't say
it was wasn't a bear for sure, but it just
seems logical that it must have been,"
Williams said.  He did however, think it
a bit passing strange that the creature
had reddsh hair while most of the bears
he had ever seen were black ...


 



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On September the 8th, 1998   after an eight month vigil,   Dave Shealy took this shot of a skunk ape crossing the backyard of his Collier Co.             Florida home.
Everglades Day Safari tour guide Dow Rowland saw a Skunk Ape when he had a dozen tourists in   his Ford van on July 18th, 1997

"It did look like some sort of a creature out there in the swamp,   but I thought it was a guy in a       gorilla suit.  I had to tell the       British children on the tour it           wasn't a real creature."
                          Dow Roland

Three days later Collier County   Fire Chief Vince Doerr snapped the picture above of a skunk ape           on July 21st, 1997.

29 posted on 11/03/2002 11:17:48 AM PST by matrix
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To: Johnny Shear
SKUNK APE_ HEAR SOUNDS!
30 posted on 11/03/2002 11:22:18 AM PST by matrix
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To: matrix
HOWL! Win Media
31 posted on 11/03/2002 11:31:09 AM PST by matrix
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To: Johnny Shear
there was a guy who rode a mo-ped in a little town in FL I lived in who they called Sasquatch. That's the closest thing I've ever seen. Talked to him, too - a nice guy.
32 posted on 11/03/2002 11:32:25 AM PST by agrandis
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To: matrix
I've camped all over the Big Cypress and Everglades when I was a kid. One night we were camped about 10 miles from the nearest gravel road and in the middle of the night I heard some very wierd moaning, screaming type sounds (no jokes please!) off in the distance, then it faded to quiet...might have been a panther, but its fun to think otherwise.

I had great fun making a pair of "bigfeet" out of 1/4 plywood, layered, sculpted and sanded then nailed to a pair of old tennis shoes. I'd put them on in them middle of the night and stomp around in the mud near the younger kid's tents......Come morning their eyes were as wide as saucers!

33 posted on 11/03/2002 11:45:17 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Johnny Shear
From 1972 till 1993 we owned a fishing lodge on the Klamath River near Bluff Creek between Orleans and Weitchpec Ca. We were about 10 miles from a hot spot for bigfoot. I was listening to the CB radio one sunday in the mid seventies and heard the call for the search and rescue of the gal abducted by Bigfoot. (it was a hoax of some hollywierd types.) My neighbor up there was a retired sheriff told me he was on his hose looking for his cattle above our place when the horse bolted and threw him off. At the same time his three dogs started whining and cowering plus there was a horrible smell that gagged him. H esaid he damn near ran all the way back to the house with his hair standing on end. The horse was waiting for him there.

Do a goggle search for the Willow Creek Museum for further info.

34 posted on 11/03/2002 11:53:37 AM PST by tubebender
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35 posted on 11/03/2002 11:56:27 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: KneelBeforeZod
I used to do work with a Fish & Wildlife Officer in Washington State. One day he was working with me he said he missed out going down to Vancouver, Washington to get some hair off of a fence that had reportedly ben crossed by a Bigfoot. I found it interesting that the State would send someone down to get the sample. If the Fish & Wildlife "experts" think the whole idea of Bigfoot is goofy - wouldn't they just tell the "crackpot" to send the sample through the mail?

36 posted on 11/04/2002 12:13:55 AM PST by geopyg
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To: Buffalo Head; spetznaz
It isn't likely that an escaped ape could survive the winters in the mountains of Oregon, so it's either a Bigfoot, or a hoax.

I would love to believe in Bigfoot and Flying saucers, I really would, but I don't.
37 posted on 11/04/2002 12:22:12 AM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Johnny Shear
I hail from way North-Eastern California (Burney), and I have in fact heard him before. Sounds like the deepest sound you've ever heard mixed with a super high pitch scream. Almost like something big killing something much smaller. Weird, and freaky.

A couple of buddies and I were out in the woods drinking some beers back in high school. Well we heard that sound (none of us had ever heard it before) and decided we'd better get the heck outta there. Anyway, a few months passed and we all kinda forgot about it. Well one night I was watching this bigfoot documentary where this dude caught the sound on audio tape. When they played that tape every hair on my body stood on end. It was pretty much exactly the same sound.

Another time we were out shooting our .22's and we heard something walking up the cliff from us, in fall, under oak trees, something walking on two feet, two big feet. If you've spent alot of time outdoors you know the sound of something walking on two feet. You cannot mistake it for any other sound, not deer, not bear not anything.

My last personal experience was the one where we actually smelt it, and boy are people right. I thought my buddy had done the unthinkable, and I was giving him a ration of crud before I realized he wasn't joking. Something stunk, and it didn't come out of any of us. (I was actually glad that smell didn't come from my buddy. I couldn't have been his friend much longer, if his butt smelled like that!)

Anyway, I have many more stories that I've heard from others who lived there, but these are just my personal experiences. Others have had way better......
38 posted on 11/04/2002 7:02:52 AM PST by walkingdead
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To: spetznaz
However my personal theory is that maybe what the BigFott 'witnesses' have seen is either a prank, or might be an escaped pet goreat ape (ranging from an orang to a gorilla ....maybe even a large gibbon)! After all the gorilla is a creature that is unlike any found in the States, and maybe confusion could come from a sighting.

I remember as a kid reading about Teddy Roosevelt encountering a sasquatch while on a hunting trip in California. Teddy Roosevelt was a pretty accomplished hunter, and went on safaris in Africa more than once. He couldn't identify what it was he saw standing on the opposite side of the river, staring him down.

Based on his experience as a hunter, and his overall level of intelligence, I believe he would have been able to identify an ape if he had seen one.

39 posted on 11/04/2002 9:22:30 AM PST by JavaTheHutt
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To: spetznaz
Here is another little piece to add to the puzzle. A friend of mine from Oregon claimed that he and some friends of his (this being years ago of course) pulled that famous "bigfoot in the woods looking at the camera" prank. He brought this up all by himself with no leading from any of us in the group. Now, him being a prankster in the first place, I do have to have a smidgen of doubt to his confession. Anyway, I say, show me the "bigfoot" before I'll believe.
40 posted on 11/04/2002 9:47:16 AM PST by beachn4fun
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