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The Seamless Thread of Hate: The Beltway Sniper Shootings and Islam
Toogood Reports ^ | 2 November 2002 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 11/01/2002 9:54:26 AM PST by mrustow

Toogood Reports [Weekender, November 3, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST]
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After having been constantly told that the sniper was a white, Christian male, we are confronted with a main suspect who is a "military veteran" (mumble, black Moslem, mumble). Although the suspects are both black, we have been told by white, liberal journalists such as Pete Hamill and black civilians alike, that black folks really don't need this to be about race. And although we know that John Allen Muhammad/Williams is a Moslem, we now know that not only race, but Islam was a non-factor in the sniper case. We know that, because Al Sharpton told us so. Sharpton demanded that the arrests of John Allen Muhammad/Williams and Boyd Lee Malvo aka John Lee Malvo not be used as an excuse to "profile blacks or Moslems." But it's alright by him, to profile whites.

Is It Nation Time?

Min. Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam (NOI), has admitted that Muhammad/Williams has been a member of the NOI since 1997. (Farrakhan added, that if Williams/Muhammad should turn be convicted as the Beltway Sniper, he will be "ousted" from the NOI; we'll have to wait and see on that one.) In a previous column, I touched on the murderous world of the NOI, which teaches that man was originally black, and that the white man was created 6,000 years ago by an evil black scientist named Yacub. In his book, Prophet of Rage: A Life of Louis Farrakhan and His Nation, Arthur Magida argues that "Violence was indispensable to the culture of the Nation of Islam. It was not only in the environment; it was the environment."

The NOI has also always been anti-American, as well as anti-white. Its founder, Wallace Fard, was anti-American, and as C. Eric Lincoln chronicles in his classic work, The Black Muslims in America, its longtime leader, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad (Elijah Poole, 1897-1975, aka The Messenger, who led the then-named Black Muslims from circa 1934 until his death.) spent most of World War II in prison for draft evasion and sedition, for refusing to serve in the armed forces, and for openly supporting our Japanese enemies.

During the Vietnam War, Elijah Muhammad talked heavyweight champion Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali into refusing to serve his country. Many journalists and documentarians – who otherwise spit on religious freedom – have since blackwashed Clay/Ali's draft evasion, for which he was imprisoned and stripped of his heavyweight championship, into a violation of his religious freedom, and romanticized his treasonous statement, "I ain't got nothin' against no Viet Cong." Such supporters of the NOI have steadfastly ignored the fact that only those may refuse induction into the armed services on religious grounds who are members of pacifist denominations, such as the Society of Friends (Quakers). Islam is the most bellicose of religions, and while one may debate whether the NOI is a legitimate Moslem denomination, it can hardly be debated that it has adopted the most warlike aspects of Islam.

The current leader of the Nation of Islam, Min. Louis Farrakhan, has embraced America's enemies, including Libyan dictator, Col. Muammar Qaddafi, and Iraq's Saddam Hussein. Supporting America's military enemies is an unbroken tradition of the NOI.

"I am God": The Five Percent Nation aka the "Nation of Gods and Earths"

We are now told that the snipers' letters were infused with the language of the Five Percenters (not merely the phrase "word is bond," which is widely used, beyond the hellish circles of the Five Percenters), particularly the phrase, "Call me God." This news has provided yet another opportunity to spread disinformation about black supremacism.

According to Associated Press reporter Tim Molloy, "the Five Percent movement ... teaches that education and family are of central importance. It rejects drinking, drugs and fornication, as well as most accepted history, authority and religion."

Molloy continues, "The 39-year-old [sic] movement started as an offshoot of the Nation of Islam, but Five Percenters say they are not Muslims. The group teaches that black men are to be called 'God' and black women 'Earth,' and that only five percent of the population is enlightened."

In reality, the Five Percenters are ultraviolent criminals who believe that all of the Earth shall perish, save for five percent, which suggests that at least half of all blacks will die, in addition to all whites and Asians. So much for the claim that the Five Percenters see all black men as gods. Tim Molloy knows enough about the group, to be aware that it is concerned with genocide, not "enlightenment."

Far from being family-oriented, and being opposed to fornication, the Five Percenters are notorious for maintaining harems of young women, whom they "turn out" – force to work as prostitutes. Some family values.

Five Percenter men believe in the ownership of women. During the late 1980s, a very smart foster-care supervisor (they are oh, so rare) of mine, an American-born daughter of Chinese parents who had fled Mao, had previously run group homes in Brooklyn, filled mainly with teenaged black girls. Some of those girls became the girlfriends and prostitutes of Five Percenters. My supervisor would recall, "They would have to wear [the boyfriend/pimps' tooth] caps. I tried to tell them, 'Someday, you're going to want to want to break up with him, and he's not going to let you go.'"

Note too that the Five Percenter emphasis on "education" consists in scholarship such as a member being given a magic word, and walking around with a notebook "studying" the word all day long. Five Percenters have magical beliefs about words and numbers.

The AP's Tim Molloy cites as an authority on the Five Percenters consultant Robert Walker, "a former prison security coordinator and Drug Enforcement Administration agent, [who] stressed that most people involved in the movement have nothing to do with crime." Again, in reality, Five Percenters have sought to take over prisons through reigns of violence, control of contraband, and conspiracies to attack guards. I'd like to have some of whatever it is Walker is smoking.

The Five Percenters were founded in 1964 by "Clarence 13X" (Clarence Smith, 1929-1969), who had been thrown out of Malcolm X' Harlem, Black Muslim Temple No. 7. In 1969, Smith was murdered; his killers were never brought to justice.

The current, official teachings of the Five Percenters aka the "Nation of Gods [black men] and Earths [black women]" follow:

"1. That black people are the original people of the planet earth.

"2. That black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization.

"3. That the science of Supreme Mathematics is the key to understanding man's relationship to the universe.

"4. Islam is a natural way of life, not a religion.

"5. That education should be fashioned to enable us to be self sufficient as a people.

"6. That each one should teach one according to their knowledge.

"7. That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head.

"8. That our children are our link to the future and they must be nurtured, respected, loved, protected and educated.

"9. That the unified black family is the vital building block of the nation.

The Five Percenters also believe, a la the Nation of Islam, that "whites have deceived the whole world, causing it to honor and worship false gods and idols."

The AP's Tim Molloy reports that consultant Robert Walker said that, "Five Percenters typically end letters with the word, 'peace,' which group members mean as an abbreviation for 'please elevate all children everywhere.'

"The letter's postscript had no such good wishes: 'Your children are not safe anywhere at anytime.'"

Walker rendered the Five Percenters' meaning literally: Their good wishes are, however, for Five Percenters' children, certainly not for white children. Without knowing Tim Molloy's agenda, one might think him honest, or perhaps naively incompetent. Molloy, however, has a history of shilling for racist, black murderers. In 2000, he published a propaganda piece for AP disguised as a news report, in which he gave former boxer Rubin "Hurricane" Carter a soapbox from which to claim that he and Mumia Abu Jamal (Wesley Cook) were both victims of racist, white law enforcement officials, who had framed them under the orders of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. Carter, who had a long history of violent crime, was convicted in two separate trials for the 1966, racial revenge murder of three whites in a New Jersey bar. Although Carter was never acquitted, in an act of blatant judicial misconduct, in 1985 federal Judge Lee Sarokin vacated Carter's conviction. (4* Former Black Panther Jamal/Cook was convicted and sentenced to death for his 1981, execution-style murder of Philadelphia police Officer Daniel Faulkner.) Tim Molloy neglected to mention that J. Edgar Hoover, who died in 1972, would have to have directed the conspiracy against Jamal/Cook from the grave.

Note that the Five Percenters do not call themselves a religion. But that has not stopped leftwing groups who are hostile towards Christianity and Judaism, and journalists like Tim Molloy from presenting them as a denomination whose religious freedom is being trampled on. Of course, these are the same folks who for forty years have used "civil rights" as a front for their support of violent, black street criminals.

Although the Five Percenters were founded by a former member of the Nation of Islam, in this context, "Islam" must be seen as part of black supremacism. Back in 1913, "Noble Drew Ali" (Timothy Drew, 1866-1916) founded the precursor to the Nation of Islam, the Moorish Science Temple, in Newark, New Jersey. The Moorish Science Temple spread to other cities. Although Ali/Drew had a "Holy Koran," it was simply a compendium of his black supremacist beliefs, and had no connection to Islam. The Nation of Islam, which was founded around 1930 in Detroit by Wallace Fard (1903?-1934?) combined some Islamic beliefs with the personal hatreds of its leaders, and the belief that Wallace Fard was the incarnation of Allah. (Ali/Drew was murdered by followers in a power struggle; although the body of Fard, who "disappeared," was never found, I believe that he met the same fate at the hands of Elijah Muhammad.)

The Seamless Garment of Hate

Note that though the Five Percenters' and NOI's respective understandings of G-d are incompatible, the NOI has shown solidarity with the Five Percenters. Both groups are oriented towards violent black criminals, and committed to the destruction of the white race, and of America. (Both the Nation of Islam and secular black supremacists such as Frances Cress Welsing, author of The Isis Papers, depict all non-whites as black, though black supremacists are far from consistent on this point, especially regarding Asians.) For the same reasons, secularist black groups support the NOI and Five Percenters. The term "Afrocentrism" (the successor to "Black Power") provides an umbrella for cooperation among all such racist – including hip-hop "musicians" and black supremacist "educators" – and anti-American black groups and individuals.

It has also been reported that John Allen Muhammad/Williams is an al Qaeda supporter, who expressed his solidarity with the 911 attackers. As some writers have observed, particularly in (the case of Egyptian July 4 terrorist Hesham Muhammad Ali Hadayet), who murdered two Jews and wounded several other people at the LAX Airport El Al counter, one does not have to formally be a member of al Qaeda, in order to work for the group. Osama bin Laden has called on all Moslems to engage in terrorism.

It is far from clear, however, that Muhammad/Williams was a freelancer. At his arrest, he was in the possession of a laptop computer and a global positioning system (GPS), and he had altered his car to hide a sniper in the trunk, who would shoot through a hole in the trunk door, as per an innovation of the terrorist, Irish Republican Army (IRA). Terrorist groups have been known to share methods and train each other's members.

On the eve of, and just after Muhammad/Williams and Malvo's arrest, some journalists (among them New York Fox 5's Dick Brennan) suggested – based on law enforcement sources – that the two might be part of a cell. The silence on this theory since then does not mean that it has been discredited. Based on the quiet, polite way John Allen Muhammad/Williams has comported himself since his arrest, it would not surprise me, if he were to announce that he sees himself as not a criminal, but a soldier.

That the beliefs that Muhammad/Williams has suggested having are incoherent and incompatible – Islam, Five Percenterism, Nation of Islam – is not a problem. All have in common their consuming, homicidal hatred, which is a great unifier. Consider that like Islamic nations, and the black American groups cited above, many Islamic fundamentalist and secular terrorist groups have incompatible beliefs and goals, yet their unifying hatred for the U.S. and Israel makes mutual cooperation among them possible. Note that Muhammad/Williams did not kill anyone who appeared to be any type of Moslem or black supremacist.

In an otherwise informative article in the October 27 New York Times, David Johnston and Don van Natta Jr. claimed that Muhammad/Williams and Malvo turned the typical serial killer profile on its head, because serial killers usually start out slowly, tentatively, and increase their appetite for killing, whereas Muhammad/Williams and Malvo had started out fast and slowed down. However, it looks as though the duo had already had their "warm-up" period. They are suspected in the February 16 murder, in Tacoma, Washington, of Keenya Cook, and Muhammad/Williams has been identified by Officer Dwight Johnson as the shooter in the September 21 killing, in Montgomery Alabama, of Claudine Parker and near fatal shooting of Kellie Adams. The Bushmaster rifle that was found in the suspects' possession, has also been linked to at least one murder in Baton Rouge, LA. (The New York Times article was also oddly remiss in failing, in its recitation of serial and mass murders, to mention the Zebra Killings.)

Montgomery, Alabama police Chief John Wilson has reported that Muhammad/Williams and Malvo jumped into the infamous blue Chevrolet Caprice, which was being driven by a third party.

Muhammad/Williams is suspected in many killings, besides those of the guns of October, and many other crimes, including selling false Antiguan passports and smuggling illegal aliens into the U.S. from Antigua, including, possibly, Malvo's mother. While staying with Malvo in the Lighthouse Mission, a Bellingham, Washington homeless shelter, Muhammad/Williams regularly received airline tickets from a travel agent for jaunts around the U.S., according to the Rev. Al Archer, the shelter's director. Like other people who knew Muhammad/Williams, the Rev. Archer alerted the FBI to his suspicious behavior long before the Beltway Sniper killings, but was ignored by the Bureau.

While many questions remain about the Beltway Sniper Killings, the notion that we can rest assured that we are dealing with an isolated madman and his young acolyte, is supported by blind hope alone.

As at least one writer observed during the killings, that the notion that serial murderers are overwhelmingly white, is a multicultural myth. In a nation which is 78 percent white, the official statistic that 55 percent of serial and mass murderers are white, is underwhelming.

What's that you say – America is only 72 percent white? America is 72 percent "non-Hispanic" white; there is no justification for cutting Hispanic whites, who comprise six percent of the population, out of the white census. Note, too that for purposes of racial misrepresentation, crimes committed by Hispanics (white and non-white alike) are often counted as having been committed by whites. Thus, the real percentage of white mass murderers may be a bit lower. In other words, whites are severely underrepresented among the population of serial murderers. (And as my previous column noted, many black serial killers are not counted as such.)

The myth that a serial killer is bound to be white and Christian, is something white Christians really don't need right now.

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author, you are invited to e-mail Nicholas at adddda@earthlink.net .


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To: Mr. Jenkins
Are you Daryle Lamont Jenkins of One People's Project, a far left site?

Enquiring minds want to know.

81 posted on 11/03/2002 3:33:40 AM PST by bulldog905
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To: Mr. Jenkins
I will give you a large measure of credit for having the courage to admit to that, given some of your writings directed towards conservatives in general, and FreeRepublic forum members in particular. To wit:

The following was a letter that appeared in the Home News Tribune in response to an earlier one published.

Dear Editor:

Willis E. Jones, Jr. said it best in his Jan. 8 letter when he wrote, “Conservatives say, ‘Let’s try to step back a little and do things like we used to.’” That exactly has been the problem. I see nothing in conservatism that benefits us as a people whatsoever and everything in it that has hampered us for generations.

Mr. Jones may not like the catch phrases given conservatives such as “mean-spirited”, “homophobic”, and “racist”, but instead of bellyaching about them maybe he should look at why conservatives and exclusively and consistently the ones charged with such terms. Look at what conservatives have given us over the centuries: It was them that we fought during the Revolutionary War. It was them that were against the reform movements in the church that gave Central Jersey its growth in the 19th century. It was them on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War. They were responsible for segregation, the Ku Klux Klan, Senator McCarthy, the red scare, the Palmer Raids and the antiwar movement during World War II that allied itself with Hitler.

“Doing things like we used to” meant that large segments of society, be it due to race, religion, gender, or sexual preference, will be unjustly disallowed from participating in the American Dream and enjoying the privilege of being an American citizen. Jones may say that would not be the case, but it is only when the liberals asserted themselves and beat back conservative opposition that conservatives decided to change their tune--somewhat.

If one was to read their positions on today’s issues and review their positions in decades past, one would see that they have not changed, and we can also see how detrimental those positions were to society in the past. For example, it was they who were the primary opposition to Martin Luther King, Jr. and the civil rights movement and among those who pushed forth anti-immigration legislation against Irish Catholics in the 19th century. Today, they are still on the same tunes except it is Hispanics instead of Irish Catholic, and they have the nerve to use King as a symbol in abolishing the affirmative action he fought for. Ironically they now say a school in a predominately white neighborhood shouldn’t be named after him because it gives the kids who go there a “black mark”.

A funny thing about conservatives, however. In order to appeal to the public they have to approach them with concerns liberals first raised. This was Adolf Hitler’s tactic when he joined the Socialists in Germany only to bastardize the party as he rose in power with his right wing agenda. While Jones says that the liberal mantra is “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.” It is interesting to note that this is commonly the mantra of many conservatives as well, some calling it “rugged individualism.” Also while conservatives say that liberals depend on government too much, it is only when the conservatives took over Congress that they found strength, while liberals greatest victories came from grassroots organizations mobilizing their communities to bring that government to task, something else some conservatives learned from us during the civil rights movement. Makes you wonder just how wrong us lefties really are.

For my money, I am proud of the work us liberals have done. We believe in taking that risk to do what needs to be done, and we will continue to do so. So far, we’ve done pretty good. Hell, we built a country.

You paint with a rather indiscriminate brush, sir . . .

84 posted on 11/03/2002 9:56:37 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: mhking
Mr. King, you are being shown a large measure of disrespect. Please see the above post . . .
85 posted on 11/03/2002 10:00:05 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Mr. Jenkins
"I am pretty left for the sake of argument..."

*Pretty far*?
Oh Mr. Jenkins, (~or is it, "Professor Jenkins"?) either you've a propensity for understatement unlike anything I've run across in a very, long time indeed!
Or, you've one hellova sense of humor.
Really now, could I convince you Karl Marx was little more than a union steward?

"...but I would say ask me about certain things to figure out where I am at."

No thank you.
Not interested in, "figuring out where you're at."
I much prefer spending the next few minutes telling you where I'm at, instead.
OK?

"I support the right to keep and bear arms, and I believe strength comes from outside the political circles for example."

That's very good, Mr. Jenkins.
But please, consider my wondering aloud strictly a rhetorical question, alright?
"Why" are you supporting such positions while maintaining an extreme leftist posture??
Not very *consistent*, Mr. Jenkins.
Well as I already said, purely rhetorical.

The only question [about you] which overwhelmes the "hows" & "whys" motivating the extremist America-hating quasi-socialist ideology you appear so proud to embrace and endorse?
Just has to be -- for me -- why are you here? [read: Free Republic]

Not that you've no right; or, that I have any say, one way or the other.
I assure you, I have no input concerning much of anything around here.
Still, I'd have to say right now the $64 question -- & one paramount to your longevity? -- would just have to be, who gets to stay here?
~eh?

Having said that, and, after perusing (your?) website?
I noticed (you?) reserved -- no, make that, "dedicated" -- a *special* place just for we citizens of Free Republic.
I believe the exact terminology (you?) use is, "Freak Republic"?
That right?

While I've no idea whatsoever whether or not Mr. Robinson will take offense to your smear? (~nevermind the utter chutzpah of [then] tracking the fecal matter right smack-dab into his home.)
I'm putting you on notice, now, that I do take exception.

Poor way to start out, Mr. Jenkins; very poor, indeed.

Suggestion: Perhaps "Democratic Underground" would be more to your liking as I'm told the number of enlightened "scholars" at DU, knows no bounds.

If that'd be the case, & you'd think you might enjoy exploring the possibilities DU holds for someone like you?
Well then, fixing this gaff isn't very hard, a'tall.
All you need do next time is instead of turning Right?
Turn Left.
(If it'd help? Try putting a pebble in your left pocket. When next you get to the yoke in the road, your confusion will be minimized, greatly.)

...you have a nice day Mr. Jenkins, y'hear?

87 posted on 11/03/2002 12:33:16 PM PST by Landru
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To: mrustow
RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
88 posted on 11/03/2002 12:36:18 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Mr. Jenkins
What did I say that was so wrong in that piece?

Apart from the first sentence, I would take issue with everything in the piece! Where do I begin?

. . . antiwar movement during World War II that allied itself with Hitler . . .

The antiwar movement during World War II was championed by the Isolationists. Those who allied themselves with Hilter were the Nazis and the Socialists. Since when has the "anti-war" position been a conservative one? . . .

. . .and they have the nerve to use King as a symbol in abolishing the affirmative action he fought for.

Dr. King wanted people to be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Affirmative Action seeks to judge people by the color of their skin and disregard the content of their character. Affirmative Action is hardly a construct of conservatism . . .

90 posted on 11/03/2002 2:07:42 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: Mr. Jenkins
"Sounds like you already have your mind made up. That means whtever I say here isn't going to make much of a difference."

Nonsense!
I could just as well say you sound as if you've been around your socialist, marxist, trotskyite *friends* too long given your suspicious nature, Mr. Jenkins.
(I'm holding an open hand up to my computer so you may see [now], I'm holding no ice pick with which to plant into the side of your skull.)

Please don't dump your bucket of cynicism in my lap.
We're already off to a poor start as it is; now, you not only risk being labeled, "rude."
But perhaps worse, also coming-off an insufferable boor.
I mean at the rate we're going?
Could correcting each other's grammar & spelling be far off?
No Mr. Jenkins, there'll be no *priggishness* from me.

Your cynicism's your's to deal with and, resolve Mr. Jenkins.
I'm not buy-into any "projecting" from you, today.
Understand?
FYI: I've already tended to my own "baggage," thank you.

"I have to ask, why bother asking questions if you have the answers? Truth be told, if I support certain positions while maintaining an extreme leftist posture, as you put it, that may mean you don't."

HA!!
Now it sounds as if -- apparently -- you took my friend Mudboy Slim's introduction totally wrong, Mr. Jenkins.
You see, I'm over 30 years old; &, surely you know what "they" say about that, huh?
"If you're under 30 and are not a LIberal? You have no heart. If you're over 30 and are a Liberal, you have no brain."

"You asked why I was here. Simple. I don't spend all my time on my side of the fence, so to speak."

Ahhhhh, I see.
The ol', keep your friends close; but, keep your enemies closer shtick, huh??
Well speaking only for myeslf, I don't consider you my "enemy," per se.
Just because I believe I know what makes you *tick*, think you may even be "dangerous" to my pursuit of Life, Liberty & Happiness insofar as your role as a "Useful Idiot" for the Left goes?
Your threat is not an imminent one; so, I can afford to be...generous?
For now.

"Would that not be a mistake on anyone's part? Having said that, there is a reason why I believe the things I do, and unless I come to different conclusions, I will maintain those reasons, as well as conduct my life based on what I believe."

A *song*, Mr. Jenkins, let me quote you a song I'm fond of which describes what I'm *feeling* coming from you right now...

"You went to a strange land searching
For a truth you felt was wrong
That's when the heartacheS started
Though you're where you want to be?
You're not where you belong"

BTW; can't help noticing you neglected to address my main comment(s) to you concerning the smear of this site -- your host -- at the place you're responsible for?
Neglected to address everything except, those points of your choosing, Mr. Jenkins.
Which incidentally -- or would that be coincidentally -- weren't *my* comments a'tall now, were they?

What they were, were your telling me -- whether I wanted to be a willing participant or not -- "what you're all about," eh?

Listen, my friend.
Enjoy your stay at Free Republic; please.
I believe your politeness, & what I sense active search for [the] truth, might result in your getting the surprise of your life in a very profound way.
Yes I do.
Moreso than let us say, "Democratic Underground"; where, instances of cerebral atrophy??

...are a plentiful, constant & very real risk?

91 posted on 11/03/2002 2:53:36 PM PST by Landru
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To: Mr. Jenkins
You're right about the America-Firsters. Many supported were Hitler, though the prominent ones were careful not do so openly.

Dr. King wanted people to be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Affirmative Action seeks to judge people by the color of their skin and disregard the content of their character. Affirmative Action is hardly a construct of conservatism.

Yet, he pushed for affirmative action. That must mean that affirmative action is not how you characterized it. I hope, by the way, that you do not defend racial profiling.

King called for judging people by the content of their character, and for affirmative action, but not at the same time. The two notions are incompatible. Some time after the 1963 Poor People's March on Washington, King betrayed the color-blind ideal he had championed, and which made him so famous and admired.

At least that's the charitable interpretation. A less charitable interpretation would be that he never believed in character, but paid lip-service to it as a weigh station, on the way to color-based quotas. In any event, you can support character or affirmative action, but not both.

94 posted on 11/03/2002 9:00:05 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Mr. Jenkins
I hope, by the way, that you do not defend racial profiling.

Before I can give you a blanket "No" answer to that statement, I'll ask you to define specifically what you mean by racial profiling; in what context do you mean? Can you pin this down for me a little bit? I cannot in all honesty tell you that I reject "racial profiling" everytime, everywhere, for every reason . . .

96 posted on 11/04/2002 7:09:05 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Mr. Jenkins
Why is "racial profiling" O.K. for jobs, educational placement, etc,(that's what affirmative action is, you know) and not O.K for criminal analysis?
98 posted on 11/04/2002 2:45:21 PM PST by bulldog905
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To: Mr. Jenkins
I pretty much agree with Fred when it comes to profiling, in the context of which you speak. I would suppose one could add the descriptive adjective "racial" to the term profiling if the purpose is to create a victim class.

I have been the victim of profiling myself numerous times. In my lean years, parking my beat up POS Ford Van in the alley next to my friends house at night nearly always invited a squad car filled with "Officer Friendlys" by for a look-see. Neither of us lived in the "nice" neighborhoods, being the hand-to-mouth po' boys we were at the time. You see, I fit the "Longhair In A Suspicious Van" profile; Officer Friendly's words. I was detained for 45 minutes while my background was checked and my vehicle searched. Sure I was a little indignant at the time; angered at the "stereotyping" I was being subjected to.

I understand now what was going on, and why; Officer Friendly was doing his best to thwart a potential burglary of my friend's and/or his neighbor's property. He got it wrong that night. Yet I don't imagine he got it wrong too often. In the end when all was said and done, I didn't have a problem with that then, and I certainly do not have a problem with that now.

100 posted on 11/04/2002 5:03:02 PM PST by BraveMan
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