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Snipers, Guns, and Lightsabers (good read)
The Laissez Faire Electronic Times ^ | Bill Walker

Posted on 10/31/2002 7:45:26 AM PST by Sir Gawain

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To: Sir Gawain
More common sense from the folks at LFET.

Thanks for the post.

L

21 posted on 10/31/2002 12:33:17 PM PST by Lurker
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To: slowry
AB's comments were accurate. DC is essentially "no guns allowed" unless you are a cop or criminal. This includes your home or auto. DC is a gun grabber's utopia, with a high rate of armed assault, which of course is blamed on the "easy availability of guns" in MD and Virginia.

MD, where most of the shootings occured, is less restrictive than DC proper, but they prohibit loaded firearms in cars, open carry will result in arrest, and there is no "shall issue" CCW.

Virginia, where 3(IIRC?) shootings occured, is "shall issue" CCW permits and is not much different from the rest of the south in terms of gun ownership.

22 posted on 10/31/2002 12:54:11 PM PST by xsrdx
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To: Sir Gawain
While I like the sound of a home protected by an array of non-lethal weapons, nothing is a substitute for Good Old Mister Shotgun and his little Buckshot Buddies.

The problem with turning this discussion over to theorists on both sides is that the debate tends to get sidetracked from the real world into a little either-or fantasy land where the only alternative to everyone being disarmed is everyone being armed - the "OK Corral" scenario so beloved of gun-control propagandists. In fact, neither is the case, and I think that public policy that does not recognize this is bound to be poor public policy.

Carry can be a pain - ask anyone who's ever tried it - and the majority of people won't do it. The idea is to make it so that enough do carry to dissuade persons of criminal intent from the assumption that they have easy marks in fron of them. And this is much more a reflection of what happens in the real world than every granny with an Uzi in her purse ("not that that would be a bad thing...") It is potential, and not actuality, that cuts crime statistics.

For a would-be armed robber, which bus is more intimidating, the one where you know everyone onboard is unarmed, the one where a solitary policeman dozes in the front seat of an otherwise unarmed bus, or the one in which any, or none, or any portion of the passengers may be packing heat but you don't know who? This is the real world - which is the scenario most likely to give the fellow pause?

But legislation is seldom written with the real world in mind, it is written in an attempt to create a perfect world by people too silly to realize the futility of the attempt. Accidental shootings? Legislate a perfect, i.e. electronically-personalized, gun. Hijackings? Legislate a perfect, i.e. unarmed, airplane. Burglary? Legislate a town wherein every home is armed and make it mandatory. Or legislate one in which no home may be so. All solutions in search of a perfect world, and all doomed to practical failure. Unfortunately it seldom occurs to legislators just to leave the damn thing alone. They're not elected to leave anything alone. That would be "disempowering." To them, not to the people who elected them.

23 posted on 10/31/2002 1:03:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: xsrdx
Also people that live in VA but work in DC or MD would have to leave their guns at home when they commute or any other time they might be traveling north.
24 posted on 10/31/2002 1:07:54 PM PST by Cooter
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To: robowombat
Nothing terrifies these people more than the notion of individual responsibility and self defense. Thier vision of the world is one in which every action is governed by a set of complex standards and mandated codes for which their is an equally complicated code of sanctions for violating. These people see themselves as the writers and administrators of such a code driven regime.

Hear, hear!

25 posted on 10/31/2002 1:49:08 PM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: Billthedrill
the "OK Corral" scenario so beloved of gun-control propagandists.

But how many people actually died at the OK Corral?

26 posted on 10/31/2002 2:59:04 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Squantos
Thanks for the ping. A superior piece.

Looking at the cartoon in #11, I am struck by the idea that the rifle is for the empowered and the pen for the powerless, just the opposite of what is presented.

What is your take?

27 posted on 10/31/2002 3:29:08 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan
Same here..........Socialists have to get my gun before they can take the pen. Sheeple just don't understand the incrementalism that is already upon them. Martin Niemöller's historical words are all too soon forgotten by most.......

Stay Safe LDD !!

28 posted on 10/31/2002 4:29:34 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Sir Gawain
Molon Labe bump!

>>Blame entropy; what the heck, pass a law against it.

Informed commentary on this point

29 posted on 10/31/2002 4:41:33 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Sir Gawain
BTTT for an excellent article!
30 posted on 10/31/2002 5:07:36 PM PST by Gritty
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To: Sir Gawain; Dan from Michigan
Still, the mad sniper apparently felt safer in disarmed DC than out in the prairies or pastures, where there was just the slightest possibility that he would face someone who could shoot back.

Thanks for the excellent post!

31 posted on 10/31/2002 5:19:43 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Squantos
Super article!
My favorite line:

Even purely defensive body armor is viewed with suspicion and fear by a government which is terrified that it might not be able to shoot its citizens.

Bookmarked!

32 posted on 10/31/2002 5:22:37 PM PST by pocat
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To: Squantos
Thank you very much for pinging me to this one!
33 posted on 10/31/2002 8:19:34 PM PST by piasa
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To: slowry
Well, since they shot the kid at school, I'd say there's another law they violated if he was within the zone where weapons are prohibited. Nonsense law ignored once again...
34 posted on 10/31/2002 8:24:09 PM PST by piasa
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To: Sir Gawain
Too bad Lord Sidious isn't here. He'd like this.
35 posted on 10/31/2002 8:31:51 PM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Sir Gawain
Even purely defensive body armor is viewed with suspicion and fear by a government which is terrified that it might not be able to shoot its citizens.

As such, we civilians are prohibited from owning the mentioned H&K PDW (aka HK MP7) and similar weapons (FN P90). Not just simple prohibition, but comprehensively overlapping restrictions and prohibitions. You are hindered or prohibited from owning an MP7 because it:
- is a select-fire machinegun
- is a short-barreled rifle (collapsing stock)
- fires armor-piercing handgun ammunition (as legally defined)
- semi-auto version would be an assault weapon
- requires a $200 tax to own
- requires approval of local chief law enforcement officer (who is not required to approve)
and probably some others I forgot.

Why is this important? The latest generation of firearms - the first major advancement since the development of the AR-15 in the 1950's - can easily penetrate practically all body armor via a very compact package. And the government won't let you have one...go figure.

36 posted on 10/31/2002 8:48:26 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Sir Gawain
great find. i posted it on another forum. ;)
37 posted on 11/02/2002 9:23:44 AM PST by christine
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To: christine
Hey! Are you still here? Testing, testing. ;o)
38 posted on 01/01/2003 6:32:15 PM PST by Gore_ War_ Vet
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