Posted on 10/30/2002 2:19:55 AM PST by kattracks
NewsMax rarely discusses paranormal things, and we give short shrift to such out-of-this-world wisdom -- even if CNN’s Larry King has mainstreamed psychics.
True, most psychics are quacks or frauds who like to make big after-the-fact claims and cash in on their fame.
But one apparently isn’t.
Her name is Elizabeth Baron.
A self-described "spiritualist" from Charleston, S.C., Baron offered a series of stunning insights into the recent sniper attacks around Washington.
Some of them were recorded on radio before the snipers were captured, making her claims more than credible.
Soon after the spree killings began on Oct. 2, Baron claimed that there was indeed an Islamic connection to the killings.
She also said – contrary to the many "profilers" spouting off – that the killings were being conducted by more than one individual.
She stated that a group of as many as five individuals were involved, although all did not do the killings themselves.
Baron also insists that an unidentified woman is involved.
Interestingly, Baron may have had a premonition of the attacks in April of this year. At that time she faxed a letter to a friend close to the FBI, indicating that Maryland was in danger and needed to be protected.
Days before the shooting of the man at the Ponderosa steak house in Ashland, Va., Baron said she had received the message "They will surrender in Richmond."
Ashland is a suburb of Richmond. According to press reports police have said that they almost captured Muhammad and Malvo at a pay phone in Richmond soon after the Ashland shooting.
Baron believes that the shooting in the Richmond area gave the police the evidence and clues they needed to help solve the case.
On Oct. 21, Baron said she began intense prayer to help her define the killer. She penciled a sketch of a very young man she believed was black or Hispanic.
She received another message: The man is with another man and they are driving a blue car.
All of that sounds rather fantastic and fabricated.
It might have been dismissed as such had it not been recorded for posterity on a national radio program.
On Tuesday, Oct. 22, Baron was an early morning guest on Phil Paleologos’ morning talk radio show "American Breakfast," broadcast on Cable Radio Network.
Paleologos told NewsMax he remains in awe of Baron’s prediction and revelations two days before the arrest of Muhammad and Malvo, before anyone even knew who was doing these killings.
"She came on my show and said, 'The Feds are on a wild goose chase; there is no white van involved, there is a blue car,'" Paleologos recalled, adding that Baron also made clear the killings involved a group and not one person.
"But she was really emphatic about this blue vehicle," Paleologos said, who noted that the only talk at the time had been of a white van.
When news broke late Wednesday night into Thursday morning that Muhammad and Malvo were suspects and may be driving a blue Caprice -- one they were later captured in – Paleologos was stunned.
The next day, he called Baron and played her on-air interview from days before, and congratulated her.
Paleologos says in all of his years on radio, Baron is the only person he has interviewed who he believes has true spiritual, psychic abilities.
"She has a gift. It's a blessing to have this, to help solve these cases and right wrongs," Paleologos told NewsMax. He said she is different in many ways from other psychics, and that she is not motivated by fame or fortune.
Baron, the mother of seven children, is the widow of a former Chicago-area police chief.
Baron has been issuing warnings about Islamic terrorism for several years. Since 1996, she has been saying that several nations, including Iraq and Iran, were helping to plan a major terrorist attack in lower Manhattan, specifically noting the New York Stock Exchange and the World Trade Center as targets.
In recent months, Baron says she has received some warnings about President Bush and Vice President Cheney, which she has passed on to federal authorities. She wouldn’t disclose the full details of these revelations publicly.
On another matter, asked if Steve Hatfill had anything to do with the anthrax attacks, she said, "It’s an absolute lie." Still, she added, the FBI is trying to find something on him to justify its investigation and actions against him.
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Sniper Shootings
That's a pretty sick remark. If this woman HAD been in league with the devil, she would have tried to HELP the snipers and wouldn't have tried to warn us about them. I find that those who are quick to pass judgement on other people should think twice about throwing stones from glass houses..
P.T. Barnum? Yes.
Although there ARE a multitude of frauds who claim to have psychic abilities, there ARE some who DO actually have that gift. There is much more to this Universe that we don't fully understand, and to dismiss that which we don't fully understand as impossible is counter productive to discovery.
Cite me a verse if you can. BTW, do you think the Book of Revelations was written by someone who prayed to demons?
I'm open to new ideas and discoveries. But how long should we wait for independently verifiable proof of psychic powers? Ten more years? A hundred?
. . .sorry, if the 'facts fit'. . .they can speak for themselves.
. . .and we should at the least, give pause and consideration.
Reading my morning coffee grounds now, and I'll let you know later if Coleman will win.
Leni
Perhaps there already is proof that we are simply not aware of. I can't answer the question as to when we'll all know for sure though. Only a true psychic could answer THAT.. :)
We know Muhammed had a girl friend; the boy a Mother who has been newsworthy; and there was Malvo. . .and the five could just be; people in and out of 'this scene' without being directly involved in the murders per se.
You can go to great lengths to deny psychic abilities - mental gymnastics such as the 'Amazing Randy' performs; but it does not change the 'fact' that our senses define our reality; and some people have sharper senses than others.
. . .sort of like trying to read a message written in the sand; or even asking someone with glasses to help. . .
. . .and like the message in 'sand writing', the truth of the matter and it's possibilities, are constantly shifting and changing; being altered by winds of time. . .
. . .and some people never walk on the beach; and just won't go there. . .
We don't know that yet.
I want the numbers for next weeks SC Lottery
Freepmail me though, I'll be just between her 'n me, I'll check with ya'll later
1. She said there was an Islamic connection.... and so did about 500 freepers on this site, big deal. For pete's sake, anytime there is some big violence story, there is a better than 50-50 chance that it is islamic connected.
2. She said that there was more than one conspirator involved, and possibly 5. Wow, only about 1000 people on FR made that same prediction.
3. She predicted that an unidentified woman was involved... Well, that has yet to prove true. No evidence points in that direction. But again, the odds of that are at worst, 50-50. So big deal. We will probably never know.
4. She claimed that they would surrender in Richmond Virigina. Wrong. They didn't surrender. She is trying to bootstrap herself by saying that they police narrowly missed catching them in Richmond at the phone booth fiasco. Well, she was wrong.
5. On October 21, she penciled a sketch of a very young hispanic or black man. Well, which was it.. hispanic or black. Remember, before Oct 21, there were reports that the suspect may be hispanic. In fact, reports were going around that there were two hispanic young men that were suspects. There were BOLOS out for two hispanic men after one of the shootings, before Oct 21. So, what did she get right here. This was no otherworldly message from someone on high. It came from FNC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, etc. Wow.
6. In April, she predicted that Maryland was in danger and needed protection. Well, crap, everything around DC is in danger, and needs protection. What genius is needed to figure that out.
7. She predicted the suspects were driving a blue car. Well, remember, there was a report early on that a blue car was seen and was being looked for, but it got quickly overshadowed by the white van reports and was ignored completely by most LE and talking heads.
8. She has been issuing warnings about Islamic terrorism since 1996, and has mentioned attacks on lower Manhatten and the Financial District. Again, who with a right mind has not been predicting Islamic terrorism since at least 1996. In fact, many have been warning about and predicting that since at least 1993 after the first WTC attack, and the 1995 OKC bombing. Some even go back to the early to mid '80s. What devine prediction is that. We have heard those types of warnings and predictions for years from many quarters, and even here on FR. Are all those people devinely connected also.
9. She has predicted that President Bush and VP Cheney are in danger and may be targets... duhhhhhhhhhhh. Man, what insight she has. Wow. I would have never thought that our enemies would want to target our president and VP. That's insane to believe isn't it?
She did nothing more than what a lot of people here on FR did in the weeks of the sniper tragedy. She made guesses and predictions based on the information that was at hand and made educated guesses. Now, if she had given us the times and locations of the shootings before they occurred, and had given us the names of the suspects before the shootings, and had given us the car description and tag number before the shootings, or if she had given all that information before the shootings ever began so that the police could have arrested the suspects for other crimes that they had committed before the shootings began, or if she had given us the names of the victims so we could have told them to stay home....well then, I would be impressed. As it is, she is/was no more than any of us. She had an opinion based of facts known at the time, and based on educated guesses and experience. Big deal.
In your opinion, which way IS Heaven and which way IS hell?
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