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Psychic Made Stunning Sniper Predictions
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/29/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 10/30/2002 2:19:55 AM PST by kattracks

NewsMax rarely discusses paranormal things, and we give short shrift to such out-of-this-world wisdom -- even if CNN’s Larry King has mainstreamed psychics.

True, most psychics are quacks or frauds who like to make big after-the-fact claims and cash in on their fame.

But one apparently isn’t.

Her name is Elizabeth Baron.

A self-described "spiritualist" from Charleston, S.C., Baron offered a series of stunning insights into the recent sniper attacks around Washington.

Some of them were recorded on radio before the snipers were captured, making her claims more than credible.

Soon after the spree killings began on Oct. 2, Baron claimed that there was indeed an Islamic connection to the killings.

She also said – contrary to the many "profilers" spouting off – that the killings were being conducted by more than one individual.

She stated that a group of as many as five individuals were involved, although all did not do the killings themselves.

Baron also insists that an unidentified woman is involved.

Interestingly, Baron may have had a premonition of the attacks in April of this year. At that time she faxed a letter to a friend close to the FBI, indicating that Maryland was in danger and needed to be protected.

Days before the shooting of the man at the Ponderosa steak house in Ashland, Va., Baron said she had received the message "They will surrender in Richmond."

Ashland is a suburb of Richmond. According to press reports police have said that they almost captured Muhammad and Malvo at a pay phone in Richmond soon after the Ashland shooting.

Baron believes that the shooting in the Richmond area gave the police the evidence and clues they needed to help solve the case.

On Oct. 21, Baron said she began intense prayer to help her define the killer. She penciled a sketch of a very young man she believed was black or Hispanic.

She received another message: The man is with another man and they are driving a blue car.

All of that sounds rather fantastic and fabricated.

It might have been dismissed as such had it not been recorded for posterity on a national radio program.

On Tuesday, Oct. 22, Baron was an early morning guest on Phil Paleologos’ morning talk radio show "American Breakfast," broadcast on Cable Radio Network.

Paleologos told NewsMax he remains in awe of Baron’s prediction and revelations two days before the arrest of Muhammad and Malvo, before anyone even knew who was doing these killings.

"She came on my show and said, 'The Feds are on a wild goose chase; there is no white van involved, there is a blue car,'" Paleologos recalled, adding that Baron also made clear the killings involved a group and not one person.

"But she was really emphatic about this blue vehicle," Paleologos said, who noted that the only talk at the time had been of a white van.

When news broke late Wednesday night into Thursday morning that Muhammad and Malvo were suspects and may be driving a blue Caprice -- one they were later captured in – Paleologos was stunned.

The next day, he called Baron and played her on-air interview from days before, and congratulated her.

Paleologos says in all of his years on radio, Baron is the only person he has interviewed who he believes has true spiritual, psychic abilities.

"She has a gift. It's a blessing to have this, to help solve these cases and right wrongs," Paleologos told NewsMax. He said she is different in many ways from other psychics, and that she is not motivated by fame or fortune.

Baron, the mother of seven children, is the widow of a former Chicago-area police chief.

Baron has been issuing warnings about Islamic terrorism for several years. Since 1996, she has been saying that several nations, including Iraq and Iran, were helping to plan a major terrorist attack in lower Manhattan, specifically noting the New York Stock Exchange and the World Trade Center as targets.

In recent months, Baron says she has received some warnings about President Bush and Vice President Cheney, which she has passed on to federal authorities. She wouldn’t disclose the full details of these revelations publicly.

On another matter, asked if Steve Hatfill had anything to do with the anthrax attacks, she said, "It’s an absolute lie." Still, she added, the FBI is trying to find something on him to justify its investigation and actions against him.


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To: FormerLurker
Agree.
101 posted on 10/31/2002 10:08:59 AM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: Jaxter

"May the lice of ten thousand camels infest your armpits."

"Heh, heh, heh, YES!"

102 posted on 10/31/2002 10:10:18 AM PST by brewcrew
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Does anyone remember "Criswell Predicts" of the late 1960's?

"Future events such as these will affect you in the future!"

103 posted on 10/31/2002 10:15:55 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Dan Day
At least the ones who claim ridiculous abilities like "astral travel" and such are charlatans.

Even charlatanry has gone downhill in these degenerate times. Victorian mediums would at least put on an entertaining show with trumpets and everything, not just sit there vacant-faces and spin a tale of "astral travel".

104 posted on 10/31/2002 10:22:29 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
[description of the Touting Scam]

Retire.

Just make sure it to a country with no extradition treaty. ;-)

105 posted on 10/31/2002 10:24:32 AM PST by steve-b
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To: FormerLurker
You could also call Einstein, Newton, Galieo, and many others "True Believers (tm)", as their thoughts ALSO conflicted with the paradigm of their day...

They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein.

But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

106 posted on 10/31/2002 10:25:15 AM PST by steve-b
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To: AmericaUnited
You have this simple, pop culture understanding of the topic.

I've read more about a few things than you think.

107 posted on 10/31/2002 10:57:19 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FeliciaCat
I'm sure that many here at FR would enjoy a good modern day witch burning, maybe even toast marshmallows and make smores while their getting rid of those evil "devil" worshippers

Only if the "devil worshipper" is a little old lady calling in to a talk show in an attempt to help people. If on the other hand it is reported that self admitted "satanists" kidnap and rape children, perform vile acts upon them while invoking satan, then force them to sacrifice a infant, most people here would shrug it off and walk away..

108 posted on 10/31/2002 11:04:00 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: steve-b
But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

People laugh when they drop acid, so what?

109 posted on 10/31/2002 11:06:44 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: jrhepfer
Just let one of them pick the winning lottery numbers, just once, and I will believe in that person's "gifts".
110 posted on 10/31/2002 11:08:03 AM PST by hunter112
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To: FormerLurker
LOL, isnt that the truth!! I am shaking my head today reading some of the screwy posts on the Halloween & Boyscout threads by the so-called "Christians". Some of these people just dont get out much....
111 posted on 10/31/2002 11:08:41 AM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: kattracks
A self-described "spiritualist"

Well then we know where this info came from, if it wasn't sheer coincidence.

112 posted on 10/31/2002 11:19:53 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: william clark
I disagree with the 100%. It says in the bible that man is inherently sinful and imperfect. Given that, how can a prophet always relay God's information perfectly 100% of the time when the prophet is sinful and imperfect. I won't buy anything about the prophet experiencing moments of perfection. There was only ever one prophet who had perfection in communication with the people and God. And that prophet was the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

I am of the opinion that we can not say 100% what God's will is. Who are we to say who God would bestow gifts upon? You may reference the Old Testament all you wish, but I doubt the bible is the end-all of God's word. To say that "everything our God wants us to know is contained on these few hundred pages" is as arrogant as to say that "there can be no life on other planets" or to say "anyone who is not a christian will burn in hell for eternity". Who are we to say that God hasn't bestowed gifts? To say that God has not created life somewhere besides this world? To say that a person who never saw the bible or heard of our God could burn in hell purely because of his circumstance?

I don't buy it. The God I know is much more powerful and benevolent than that.
113 posted on 10/31/2002 11:32:17 AM PST by jrhepfer
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To: FormerLurker
King Saul consulted a psychic. God removed His Spirit from him.

Could you please give us the verse within the Old Testament that describes that?

1 Samuel 28

Saul and the Witch of Endor

1 In those days the Philistines gathered their forces to fight against Israel. Achish said to David, "You must understand that you and your men will accompany me in the army."
2 David said, "Then you will see for yourself what your servant can do."
Achish replied, "Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life."
3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in his own town of Ramah. Saul had expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land.
4 The Philistines assembled and came and set up camp at Shunem, while Saul gathered all the Israelites and set up camp at Gilboa.
5 When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled his heart.
6 He inquired of the LORD , but the LORD did not answer him by dreams or Urim or prophets.
7 Saul then said to his attendants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her." "There is one in Endor," they said.
8 So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. "Consult a spirit for me," he said, "and bring up for me the one I name."
9 But the woman said to him, "Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?"
10 Saul swore to her by the LORD , "As surely as the LORD lives, you will not be punished for this."
11 Then the woman asked, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" "Bring up Samuel," he said.
12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!"
13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?" The woman said, "I see a spirit [1] coming up out of the ground."
14 "What does he look like?" he asked. "An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said. Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
15 Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" "I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do."
16 Samuel said, "Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy?
17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors-to David.
18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today.
19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also hand over the army of Israel to the Philistines."
20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, filled with fear because of Samuel's words. His strength was gone, for he had eaten nothing all that day and night.
21 When the woman came to Saul and saw that he was greatly shaken, she said, "Look, your maidservant has obeyed you. I took my life in my hands and did what you told me to do.
22 Now please listen to your servant and let me give you some food so you may eat and have the strength to go on your way." v23 He refused and said, "I will not eat." But his men joined the woman in urging him, and he listened to them. He got up from the ground and sat on the couch.
24 The woman had a fattened calf at the house, which she butchered at once. She took some flour, kneaded it and baked bread without yeast.
25 Then she set it before Saul and his men, and they ate. That same night they got up and left.

1 Samuel 31

Saul Takes His Life

1 Now the Philistines fought against Israel; the Israelites fled before them, and many fell slain on Mount Gilboa.
2 The Philistines pressed hard after Saul and his sons, and they killed his sons Jonathan, Abinadab and Malki-Shua.
3 The fighting grew fierce around Saul, and when the archers overtook him, they wounded him critically.
4 Saul said to his armor-bearer, "Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me." But his armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so Saul took his own sword and fell on it.
5 When the armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he too fell on his sword and died with him.
6 So Saul and his three sons and his armor-bearer and all his men died together that same day.

Kind of appropriate for Halloween.

114 posted on 10/31/2002 11:33:45 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
An interesting story..
115 posted on 10/31/2002 12:35:36 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: jrhepfer
Okay, well if you want to go all over the map objecting to positions that I didn't state, that's fine, but playing the pick-and-choose game with what you like from the Bible, and then trying to use it as common ground to declare that someone (like Cayce) had certain beliefs, is intellectually dishonest, flaky, and spiritually foolish. Nevertheless, the fact remains, Cayce was an occultist. If that's okay with the anything-goes god you pal around with... Well, have fun.
116 posted on 10/31/2002 2:18:09 PM PST by william clark
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To: jrhepfer
Incidentally, the one prophet whose accuracy you recognize fully endorsed the Old Testament writings, which include the standard for true prophets vs. false ones. Furthermore, he warned of false ones to come. You, however, have just dismissed all the means of determining truth from lies by giving anyone claiming knowledge all the excuses they need to be wrong. When you are ready to place more importance on what IS true than what you WANT to be true or think SHOULD be true, you'll be making progress. Until then, you're making god in your own image.
117 posted on 10/31/2002 2:25:46 PM PST by william clark
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To: FeliciaCat
Why do so many on this forum who probably describe themselves as "christian" write such spiteful and petty things about situations they know NOTHING about.

And why do you say I "know nothing" about this women?

I know everything I need to know to make an informed judgement by reading her web site. The Bible is extremely clear that the things this women is involved with are evil. Don't argue with me, argue with God!.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. "For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD;..."

II Chronicles 33:6 He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of Ben-hinnom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger.

118 posted on 10/31/2002 2:54:16 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Your view on God is not the be all and end all. You can throw all the bible scripture at me you like, it still doesnt justify you calling this woman is a "satanist".

By the way if she is a witch or Wiccan, she probably doesnt even believe in "Satan". Many Wiccans believe Satan/devil is just a fabrication of the church to keep the masses in line.

I notice you didnt dispute my thoughts on witch burning. Got your marshmallows ready?




119 posted on 10/31/2002 3:05:57 PM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: steve-b
"They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

Clowns give me the creeps. They're not funny at all.

120 posted on 10/31/2002 3:46:00 PM PST by semaj
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