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Democrats paying people to walk precincts(MICHIGAN)
Michigan House Democratic Fund | MI HOUSE DEMS

Posted on 10/29/2002 2:32:19 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

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To: weegee
Here's a democrat who finds it odd that she still is on the voter rolls in SC even though she moved away and that someone is keeping her active.

There have to be active names of known democrats on the rolls so they can have multiple names for repeat voters.

Why do I have the feeling that if this woman voted (R) on all these ballots she got, they'd have the cops on her faster than Clinton on a drunk/coked up cheerleader?

Seems to me they KNOW where the ballots go to, and how the votes WILL turn out!

May I propose that in the future, absentee ballots will ONLY be printed and numbered per REQUEST for said ballot, and sent REGISTERED MAIL?!

Tracability is the key...not to the result of the vote, but to the creation/sending!

21 posted on 10/29/2002 5:52:12 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: Itzlzha
I take this woman at her word that she was not fraudulently voting but somone was interested in seeing her continue to vote.

I've see a post from someone on FR who eventually got her dead spouse removed from the rolls by threatening to tear out his entry when she went to vote at the polls.

It would be a good thing if the local elections office in every election mailed a simple "Thank You" postcard to every voter. You'd instantly know how many registered voters are registered to your address and how many of them supposedly voted.

Mailmen might also notice a stack of voter postcards going to the same residence or even addresses that are not residences.

It wouldn't prevent voter fraud but it would keep some citizens from being unwilling/unknowning accomplices in election fraud.

22 posted on 10/29/2002 6:16:56 PM PST by weegee
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To: Overtaxed
'E sez 'e's not dead!
23 posted on 10/29/2002 6:21:23 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: Dan from Michigan
Be sure to call "Mary" and volunteer ....

Then get paid for your efforts.

When you collect om Wednesday.
24 posted on 10/29/2002 6:25:59 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: Morgan's Raider
He will be any minute
25 posted on 10/29/2002 6:39:32 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Call Mary and tell her how crass this is...tell her how it breaks the spirit of the law. Tell her that it is akin to hiring prostitutes, or people who don't really care and trashes the volunteerism that has always been the heart and soul of American elections. Tell Mary only democrats would do this.
26 posted on 10/29/2002 7:00:05 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
"Heart and soul" have nothing to do with Rat tactics, winning by hook or by crook is the name of the game for Demonrats.

The will of the people only matters when it goes their way. Every vote counts only when it goes to their candidate.

If the military didn't vote your way, throw out their votes.

If people voted improperly but you can count it for your candidate, then count it.

If your candidate (who was selected by a primary election) is losing in the polls and getting brought up on criminal charges, replace his name with someone else that the backroom bosses selected. Damn the results of Democrat Primary voters. Don't tell me how Lautenberg was not even a Primary candidate. Winning is the only thing that matters. Maintaining gridlock in Washington.

If they have to turn a few more candidates from their party affiliation to maintain power, they will. I'd be interested in knowing what they give these politicians to do so.

27 posted on 10/29/2002 7:12:07 PM PST by weegee
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To: Dan from Michigan

MI 2000 Totals           4,232,501 
Gore                     2,170,418
Bush                     1,953,139
  difference:              217,279
 
Wayne County MI Totals     768,417 
Gore                       530,414
Bush                       223,021  
  difference:              307,393 

MI 2000 Totals           4,167,685
Debbie Stabenow          2,061,952 
Spence Abraham           1,994,693 
  difference:               67,259

Wayne County               759,508
Debbie Stabenow            512,759 
Spence Abraham             228,547 
  difference:              284,212

Republican Supreme Court cadidates in bold
Justice of the Supreme Court 8 Year Term (1) Position

MI 2000 Totals           3,122,360
Marietta Robinson (D)    1,210,809
Clifford Taylor          1,675,147 
Robert Roddis (L)          236,404
  R/D difference:          464,338

Wayne                      549,913   
Marietta Robinson (D)      267,099 
Clifford Taylor            241,868
Robert Roddis (L)           40,946
  223,021 Wayne voters voted for George W. Bush
  241,868 Wayne voters voted for Republican Clifford Taylor
   18,847 difference (8%)
  530,414 Wayne voters voted for Al Gore 
  267,099 Wayne voters voted for Marietta Robinson
  263,315 difference (99%)

Justice of the Supreme Court Incumbent - Partial Term Ending 01/01/2005 (1) Position

MI 2000 Totals           3,042,826 
Stephen Markman        1,707,977 
David Raaflaub (L)         194,973 
Edward Thomas (D)        1,139,876 

Wayne                      539,588
Stephen Markman           247,260
David Raaflaub (L)          31,232
Edward Thomas (D)          261,096
  223,021 Wayne voters voted for George W. Bush
  247,260 Wayne voters voted for Republican Stephen Markman
   24,239 difference (10%)
  530,414 Wayne voters voted for Al Gore 
  261,096 Wayne voters voted for Edward Thomas
  269,318 difference (103%)

Justice of the Supreme Court Incumbent - Partial Term Ending 01/01/2003 (1) Position

MI 2000 Totals           3,120,496  
E. Fitzgerald (D)        1,194,890  
Jerry Kaufman (L)          311,589 
Robert Young             1,614,017 

Wayne                      558,051 
E. Fitzgerald (D)          258,276 
Jerry Kaufman (L)           53,240
Robert Young               246,535 
  223,021 Wayne voters voted for George W. Bush
  246,535 Wayne voters voted for Republican Robert Young
   23,514 difference (10%)
  530,414 Wayne voters voted for Al Gore 
  258,276 Wayne voters voted for E. Fitzgerald
  272,138 difference (105%)

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It's almost like they knew Taylor, Markman and Young were going to win regardless of loaded votes in Wayne, so they didn't even bother messing with it. Notice especially that the number of Bush voters nearly matches the number of Taylor, Markman and Young voters, whereas the Gore voters outnumber the voters for the liberal? candidates by more than 200,000. That, I believe, is the cheat margin.

They spent the time doctoring ballots for Gore and Liberal Debbie, but couldn't spare it in a losing cause for the Supreme Court candidates.

Probably the main reason for this is that you cannot pull a straight party lever for the Supreme Court candidates. You have to mark them each separately. Strange that the Republicans had time to mark their candidates, but the Democrats did not.

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Wayne difference ~ 230,000 liberal non-voters in Supremes races.

Gore beat Bush by 220,000 in Michigan.
Stabenow beat Abraham by 65,000.

28 posted on 10/29/2002 7:26:00 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
Interesting figures. You find similar results when you look at the Pennsylvania election returns from 2002.

For heaven's sake, people, we've got to watch the polls this year!
29 posted on 10/29/2002 7:41:11 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Dan from Michigan
Detroit's voter rolls in question - Mayor's office says total too high by 150,000
31 posted on 10/29/2002 10:17:50 PM PST by weegee
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To: Dan from Michigan
Let's start a prayer chain for HEAVY SNOW. Freezing winds. Below zero temps.

Ha! Yeah, WALK THOSE PRECINTS!!!!

(sorry, the evil part of me took over)
32 posted on 10/29/2002 11:40:45 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: CPT Clay
We could also, by infiltrating, record, and video tape what goes on behind the scenes.
33 posted on 10/30/2002 9:48:11 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Guy Angelito
Take a gander at Detroit's voter rolls in question (too many registered), and look at the number that the article puts forth: 150,000.

Couple that with some data that I didn't post - the Wayne County results for 1996, and the election to the Michigan Supreme Court of Democrat Marilyn Kelly.

Suddenly, the Wayne County Democrats knew where to find the switches for the judgeships, because it was necessary.

They're cheating, all right.

Why is it that I can drive up to a gas pump anywhere in the country and the gas pump knows who I am after I flick a magnetic strip card through it? Why do ATMs have video cameras to record who is withdrawing money?

What's a couple of hundred bucks compared with the millions and millions being stolen by non-existent Democrats at the polls?

Video cams at every precinct!

34 posted on 10/31/2002 9:52:24 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Guy Angelito
You misunderstand me. My question was "why is the system concerned about identifying someone who may be taking a couple of hundred bucks that isn't his, when the system doesn't seem the least bit concerned about someone(s) taking a few million or billion bucks that isn't his".

Hypocrisy at its finest, and you seem to be right on that bandwagon, friend. ;-)

36 posted on 10/31/2002 8:12:14 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Guy Angelito
Sorry, I guess I dont see how based on your 'analysis' millions are being stolen.

Apparently, you don't understand that a Democrat who steals an election, and then raises taxes because "it's the will of the people", is stealing millions of dollars from you and me and every other working American.

My point was simply that you can't compare the judges non partisan results with the presidential partisan results because in that state those incumbent judges, regardless of the party that nominates them, have the incumbency designation.

You are also apparently unclear on the concept of massive election fraud and time. Simply put, a voter in Michigan throws a lever to vote a straight ticket. The voter must then separately trip small switches to select judicial candidates, among other non-partisan offices. This act requires extra time, and the extra time adds up for hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes. The Democrat precinct workers in Wayne knew in advance (through pre-eelection polling, which is extremely accurate in this day and age) that separately tripping the switches for Michigan Supreme Court candidates was a complete waste of time, so they only threw the Democrat straight ticket lever while they were working down their lists of registered Dem voters.

The Democrat scheme involves "volunteers" who "register" "voters" prior to an election (i.e., they pay the "voter" a sum of money, then the "voter" doesn't bother to show at the precinct on election day - the Dem precinct workers merely throw the lever for the "voter" on their lists).

The time factor for this scheme is the reason why the Republican Michigan legislature is attempting to eliminate straight ticket voting (GOP targets straight-ticket). Logistically, it would be impossible for the Democrat precinct workers to get all the way through their lists on voting day.

38 posted on 11/01/2002 3:42:53 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Guy Angelito
Historically there is a drop off in the non partisan section of the ballot.

This is my favorite part of the Internet. Your "factoid" requires absolutely no effort on your part to analyse the actual numbers that I put up, or to research the proposition any further.

You just brush it off with a marginally true "fact".

My "factoid" is that the dropoff is only 10% with the conservative voters, and 100% with the liberal voters. This is what's known as "statistically significant". In spades.

Clearly we can see (as my dear old Abstract Algebra prof used to say) that your "factoid" is true. "There is a drop off in the non partisan section of the ballot".

However, taking the analysis further (which you are loathe to do, because it requires actual reflection on the numbers themselves), we can also clearly see that the magnitude of the difference between the dropoff of the Republican voters and dropoff of the Democrat voters is astronomical.

40 posted on 11/01/2002 10:07:08 PM PST by an amused spectator
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