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Let's Ban Car Alarms
City Journal ^ | Winter, 2002 | Brian Anderson

Posted on 10/27/2002 12:57:37 PM PST by traditionalist

You struggle up to consciousness. What’s wrong? What time is it?

PYEW PYEW PYEW PYEW OOOOOOO? OOOOOOO?

Your heart’s racing, blood pressure spiking up. Adrenaline-charged, you’re bolt awake. It’s 4:00 AM. That $!@# car alarm!

WOMP! WOMP! WOMP! WOMP!

OOOOEEEE; OOOOEEEE; OOOO.

In imagination, you become bazooka-wielding Arnold Schwarzenegger and blast the wretched car to Kingdom Come, alarm and all.

WEEEUWEEEUWEEEUWEEEU.

Why do we have to have these damned $!@# things?

We don’t. New York City should entirely ban their use within its five boroughs. Car alarms don’t do a nickel’s worth of good, the evidence overwhelmingly shows. But they do plenty of bad. Not only do they measurably harm the thousands of individuals they harass somewhere in the city every minute of the day, but also they fray the sense of public order and civility that are key constituents of the quality of urban life.

One can’t state strongly enough how vehemently New Yorkers hate these infernal devices. “People start climbing the walls around here,” says Caroline Besancon, a teacher who lives in Manhattan’s Inwood neighborhood. “You hear the alarm go off—and it happens at all hours—and you just dread that it won’t stop.” Bronx Campaign for Peace and Quiet founder John Dallas ranks car alarms with rap-blasting “boom-box cars” (see box, page 71) and rowdy neighbors as a major cause of noise complaints. “Every time we have a community meeting, alarms come up,” he says. Roughly 80 percent of Gotham community boards describe them as neighborhood irritations and say that things are getting worse, or at least not better. More than 80 percent of the calls to New York’s quality-of-life hotline concern noise, and many are car-alarm complaints, police say.

New York residents aren’t the only ones up in arms. In England, the alarms are the Number One noise annoyance, scoring ten out of ten on an “apoplexy meter,” according to a poll last summer. The vast majority of respondents to a recent international survey on noise rated car alarms as “intrusive” and among the most aggravating of noise disruptions.

But then car-alarm makers have designed them to aggravate. First, they’re loud. Top models, with menacing names like Viper and Hellfire, boast sirens that hit a painful 125 decibels. “That’s as loud as a jet or a disco,” observes noise expert Arline Bronzaft—and it’s sounding right outside your window.

Equally annoying, the alarms often come with electronic sensors so skittish that a thunderstorm, a passing motorcycle, or even someone leaning on a door can get the high-strung things screaming. On some estimates, 95 percent of car alarms that go off are false alarms. Some alarms trigger automatically for a few seconds as the owner approaches his car and unlocks it with his electronic key-chain “entry system.” With so many vehicles equipped with these frantic noisemakers—one in four households now owns one, costing anywhere from $100 to $1,000 and purchased either with the car or in the $500 million “aftermarket”—a residential urban neighborhood can suffer three or four blaring per hour, on a bad day, even if there’s no thief in sight.

The alarms can do a lot more damage than merely annoy people, however. Noise isn’t just a matter of opinion, as the New York Times asserted recently, but a serious pollutant—“a hazard to your health and well-being,” explains Bronzaft, who advises New York City on noise-related quality-of-life issues. In fact, the body reacts to sound levels above 70 decibels—and car alarms are nearly 50 times louder than that, since every ten-decibel increase represents a doubling in loudness—as if it’s in danger. Capillaries in the extremities constrict and blood surges to the brain, the liver secretes glucose for energy, and the adrenal gland pumps hormones into the bloodstream, boosting stress levels through the roof, as the body gets ready to fight (see “Quiet, Please,” Autumn 1994). With every New Yorker on edge after September 11, such shocks to the system are even more unwelcome.

Car alarms also take a toll on sleep. Even a 45-decibel noise will wake a typical sleeper. An alarm honking louder than a jackhammer on the street outside your building all but guarantees it. Psychologists add that the constantly changing noise that car alarms emit is more upsetting than continuous noise, making it more difficult to put the pillow over your head and get back to sleep. The negative effects of sleeplessness range from lost productivity to mood problems to a greater likelihood of car accidents.

But the alarms’ most corrosive effect is on the essential urban virtue of civility. Cities—where millions of people from dramatically different backgrounds live densely packed together—require countless acts of mutual adjustment and reciprocal decency in order to flourish. Car alarms send a message directly counter to such civility. “People who place such alarms in their vehicles show the ultimate in selfishness: a willingness to invade the space of their fellow citizens with a raucous noise that says, ‘I care about my car and couldn’t care less about your ears,’” argues anti-noise activist Dave Pickell. No surprise, given the aggressive nature of these devices, that “car lynchings” of vehicles with disruptive alarms are frequent. Bleary-eyed citizens have slashed tires, smeared door handles with dog doo, or even smashed the windows of offending vehicles. Car alarms are civic poison.

The justification for all this nuisance is that the alarms purport to deter auto crime. Invented in a funky California auto hi-fi shop in the seventies, they first really started to disrupt the lives of city dwellers everywhere in the crime-ridden eighties. Their dystopian wails were a desperate S.O.S., signifying that no one was in charge and that public order had collapsed. Urban police seemed powerless to stop the epidemic of auto crime (and of crime in general): in Gotham, where an ill-managed and demoralized NYPD had all but decriminalized car theft, thieves were stealing upward of 100,000 cars yearly and looting countless more. The newfangled devices, “born from and based on fear,” as vehicle-security expert

Eric Abbiss describes them, offered a sense of security to besieged car owners, who reasoned that an alarm might scare car thieves away by its ear-splitting screams. Many states, New York included, agreed. With prodding from alarm-industry lobbyists, they passed laws forcing auto insurers to offer a discount (up to 10 percent annually) to any policyholder who put in an alarm—in effect subsidizing the industry’s steady growth over the next two decades. 

But 20 years on, it’s incontrovertible: car alarms don’t work. “Noise alarms are basically designed, so far as we can tell, to annoy your neighbors,” judges Kim Hazelbaker, senior vice president of the Highway Loss Data Institute, the insurance-industry think tank that studies auto-insurance losses. “We’ve looked at the thefts of insured vehicles with and without car alarms and came away with the view that they don’t make a difference,” he says. Fordham University psychology professor Harold Takooshian, co-author of a forthcoming study on car alarms’ effectiveness, hasn’t found a shred of evidence that they deter anything other than a good night’s rest. “If these alarms were medicines, the makers would find themselves prosecuted for fraud,” he says. “I don’t see how anyone can speak in their favor.”

The reasons they don’t work are straightforward. First, a determined professional car thief can make short work of one—and these days the pros are responsible for 80 percent of the $7 billion-plus car-theft racket. A noise alarm would be “a two-second slowdown” for a seasoned crook, notes one cop working in auto crime. Another streetwise observer agrees: “I know these cats. They’ll steal your car and have it on a flatbed truck, and the alarm is still going off,” says Dwayne “Snipe” Holmes, a former member of the PJ Crips gang, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. At best, it is possible that an alarm might prompt a teenage joyrider or an amateur car-stereo thief to choose another car—displacing rather than reducing thefts—but there’s no hard evidence that this is the case.

Second, the alarms have become so commonplace and false alarms so ubiquitous that nobody thinks a crime is in process when one goes off. “It’s not unusual to walk by a parking garage with an alarm sounding, and the first thought isn’t, ‘Call the cops’; it’s, ‘Why doesn’t that idiot shut his alarm off?’” notes Hazelbaker of the insurance-industry think tank. Says Detective Randy Ballin of the California Highway Patrol: “No one pays attention to alarms in Los Angeles anymore.” Some time ago, Ballin and another officer, both in plainclothes, were strolling down Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills when they came across a red Ferrari without a license plate. Opening the unlocked car door, the two officers triggered the alarm. “Here we are in the middle of the day in the middle of Beverly Hills with all these people around and this alarm on a Ferrari going off, and no one even notices us,” Ballin recalls. His tale jibes with a survey by the Ohio-based Progressive Casualty Insurance Co. that found that fewer than 1 percent of respondents would call the police on hearing a car alarm. Even owners are jaded, says Brooklyn alarm dealer Norman Maryasis. “If you’re in a store, and an alarm goes off in the parking lot outside, do you immediately think it’s your car and come rushing out?” he asks. “No.”

Recently, I discovered for myself how right Maryasis is. A cop friend graciously offered to lend me his pickup truck, saying he’d park it near the precinct house and leave the keys in the ashtray. I’d never seen the small truck before, but my wife had—and said she’d spotted it when walking past the station earlier. Finding the truck she described, I got in. Sure enough, the keys were in the ashtray—but I couldn’t find the right one. As I jabbed key after key into the ignition, the alarm suddenly began to blast. I couldn’t stop it. Passersby shot angry looks at me.

Sheepishly, I ran into the police station and asked the cop at the front desk to call my friend, who arrived in his cruiser five minutes later. “I set off your alarm and can’t figure out how to shut it off,” I cried.

“I don’t have a car alarm,” he replied.

“Aren’t these your keys?” I asked, holding them up.

“No, they’re not. You must’ve gotten into the wrong truck!” he laughed. And indeed, the real owner lived three houses down—and was working in his front yard as his car alarm reverberated through the whole neighborhood. He had heard the noise but simply assumed it couldn’t be his alarm. My officer friend, turning to me, summed up the fiasco: “You could’ve stolen it, and nobody would’ve lifted a finger!”

Despite the evidence stacked against car alarms, lobbyists insist that their devices work as advertised. “If we didn’t have them, we would see a massive increase in stolen cars,” says Matt Swanston, a manager of communications for the Consumer Electronics Association, a trade group that represents alarm manufacturers and other electronics purveyors. The industry’s proof: the 35 percent drop in auto theft during the 1990s. “You have to assume the alarms are working,” Swanston argues.

But this is nonsense. Auto theft rocketed upward in the eighties, peaking at a shocking 1.7 million cars stolen nationwide during 1991, even as car-alarm sales boomed: then–industry-leader Code Alarm’s sales increased nearly 70 percent in 1987 alone. What really cut car theft was better policing, especially in New York. When Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and his top cop William Bratton arrived in 1993, Gotham was the car-theft capital of the world. By going after the chop shops and auto exporters that cannibalized the stolen cars and sold their parts on foreign markets, Giuliani-era policing slashed car thefts by more than 60 percent by the end of the nineties, from their 1993 peak of 110,000 (see “What We’ve Learned About Policing,” Spring 1999).

The industry’s fallback position is to point out that 95 percent of those who’ve bought alarms are happy with them and that people feel more secure owning them. But so what? Lots of things people buy or do might make them individually happy or reassure them but come with social costs that may or may not be worth putting up with. In the case of car alarms, “it’s hard to imagine that whatever their potential good is might outweigh their societal cost,” says insurance-industry think-tank executive Hazelbaker—especially if that potential good is only that car-alarm owners like them, regardless of their real-world effectiveness.

Even if car alarms did deter crime, they’d be hard to defend in a strict cost-benefit analysis. The New York Times’s unfailingly interesting columnist John Tierney has described an economic experiment by University of California at San Diego professor Richard Carson that calculates the social cost of preventing just one car from being stolen in New York by the use of car alarms. It works out at considerably more than the average stolen-car value of $6,100 or so. Carson’s calculation, done a few years ago, runs like this. Assume that an alarm wakes up 500 city sleepers for 15 minutes, that the value of lost leisure time is 50 percent of one’s normal wage ($15 per hour in Gotham, Carson posited), and that there are ten false alarms for every real one. Do the math: even if the alarms were to scare away the bad guys, the $9,375 cost of every $6,100 saving is a poor trade-off.

 

 

 

These infernal gadgets shatter
urban civility, while doing not a nickel’s worth of good.

 

Drive-by Noise Assaults

Those who say that cars are toxic to cities never cite the automobile’s worst urban offense: noise pollution. Second only to car alarms as a shatterer of urban tranquillity are  “boom-box” cars—vehicles rigged with stereo amplifiers so powerful that they can rattle windowpanes blocks away.

Boom-box cars have given birth to an entire subculture dedicated to offending bourgeois sensibilities, as even a cursory look at car-audio ads reveals. In one, a young punk with a stubby goatee, wearing wraparound black sunglasses, sneeringly sticks out his diamond-studded tongue. The ad copy reads: RESEARCH SHOWS EXCESSIVELY LOUD CAR STEREOS ARE THE NUMBER ONE ANNOYANCE TO PEOPLE OVER 40. WHATEVER. A second ad promises: AMPS THAT RIP YOUR ?!%*! EARS OFF. A third commands: FORGET WAKING THE NEIGHBORS. SCARE THE NEIGHBORS . . . . SHATTER SOUND PRESSURE RECORDS AND WINDOWS. Such ads boast, as anti-noise activist Michael Wright points out, that “boom cars are destructive devices intended to do injury to others.”

Typically male, under 30, and with little education, boom-box-car enthusiasts readily admit they’re out to affront. “I am proudly one of the people who enjoy making your windows rattle,” Ryan Herron told an Indianapolis paper in early November. “It’s kind of a power thing.” Says fellow boom-car fan Blake Polen: “My music is always loud but goes louder at intersections or parking lots where a lot of other people can hear the music. I guess the louder the system you have, the more bragging rights you can have.”

In fact, boom-system owners regularly enter into “db [decibel] drag racing”—competition to see whose car stereo can hit the most deafening noise levels. The current record is 174.2 decibels: nearly loud enough to splinter human bone. In another common practice, boom cars will prowl the streets, basses throbbing, seeking to trigger hypersensitive car alarms, sometimes setting off as many as three a block.

Many city dwellers—as intended—are outraged by boom-box cars and have pushed to have them muted. Responding to popular pressure, municipalities from Buffalo, New York, to Papillion, Nebraska, have passed decibel ordinances to crack down on these “devices from beyond the gates of hell,” as one opponent calls them.

New York City was one of the earliest to try to silence them. Mayor Rudy Giuliani, shortly after he took office in 1994, instructed the NYPD to enforce a provision of the Vehicle and Traffic Law that makes it illegal to play amplified sound from a vehicle in excess of 80 decibels. Violators faced a summons or, if they had rung up multiple violations, even confiscation of their vehicles. But enforcement has been spotty, noise activists say. As John Dallas, head of the Bronx Campaign for Peace and Quiet, reports, “At least in the Bronx, there’s still a huge sense of consternation about boom-box cars.”

Anti-boom-box-car efforts have run into charges of racism, since, in cities anyway, it’s often minority youths, blasting gangster rap or salsa, who use the audio systems to annoy or threaten anyone in their vicinity. A Chicago alderman recently tried—unsuccessfully—to overturn Chicago’s tough anti-boom-box-car ordinance, which allows cops to impound excessively noisy vehicles (more than 7,000 have been seized since the ordinance was introduced in 1996), claiming that the regulation had a disproportionate impact on minorities. In voting overwhelmingly to retain the ordinance, City Council members dismissed the racism charges and stressed that the regulation “has done wonders” in making the city quieter—and that it is wildly popular. Consumer Electronics Association lobbyist Doug Johnson still thinks the penalty “unnecessarily severe.” “The word on the street,” he grumbled, “is that if you buy this [equipment] you will be pulled over right away.”

Such grumbling is music to sleep-deprived, law-abiding urban ears.

Making the alarms even harder to justify is the existence of vehicle security systems that do work—noiselessly. According to the Highway Loss Data Institute, manufacturer-installed “immobilizers”—they shut off your car’s ignition system when someone with no key or a key without the right computer chip embedded in it tries to start the car—have shrunk insurance losses for vehicles rigged with them by 50 percent.

Impressive, too, is the Lojack car-tracking system. A stolen car outfitted with Lojack will send out a radio signal that police can trace with ease, leading to a remarkable 95 percent recovery rate (75 percent within 24 hours). Equipping just 2 percent of the cars with the system in an area where lots of cars are stolen, the National Bureau of Economic Research estimates, can reduce auto theft by up to a third by helping cops nab the professional crooks who commit a disproportionate number of the thefts. New car-tracking systems using satellite technology promise even bigger successes.

From its inception, the car-alarm industry has known that its product was going to make people mad, and it has waged a constant campaign of damage control. Its basic tack has been to argue that most of the false-alarm problem can be solved by greater professionalism and consumer education. “We think the nuisance alarms can be minimized, if not eliminated,” claims industry advocate Swanston, “if consumers are educated about the products they have and make sure that alarms are installed correctly, properly, and safely.” The industry has voluntarily promoted a certification program for installers to help meet these goals.

Yet the alarm makers’ argument fails to persuade. True, a bad installation can make an alarm so sensitive that it’ll go off virtually if someone looks at the car the wrong way, but the association’s effort to upgrade installation presupposes that alarm owners want what their neighbors want. Not so: as car-alarm specialist and former installer Abbiss notes: “I used to have customers come to me and say, ‘I want this thing so sensitive that it’ll go off when a leaf falls on it.’” A Baltimore-area installer remarked of his customers a while back, “They’re just getting too paranoid.”

In addition, as many an urban resident will tell you, aggressive, resentful motorists increasingly let their alarms go off on purpose as an in-your-face provocation. Consumer education seems unlikely to change such antisocial behavior. And finally, the growing number of alarms on the street means that even if the false-alarm rate falls, the overall number of alarms going off isn’t likely to diminish.

So if car alarms don’t work and drive most everybody crazy, what can we do about them? Many cities, including New York and Baltimore, have tried to crack down on them by fining owners of alarms that don’t shut off after a few minutes and empowering cops to go into a car whose alarm keeps blaring to disable the device, if they can’t find its owner to turn it off. But in Gotham, enforcement, though it varies from precinct to precinct, remains lax. Even before September 11 gave them other things to worry about, cops wrote fewer than 300 summonses a year for car-alarm violations.

Even if enforcement were draconian, however, the time-limit approach doesn’t go nearly far enough. A disgruntled Staten Islander explains why in a letter to the New York Times: “Limiting the amount of time that these alarms may go off has done little good; the same alarm can go off time and again.” As for sleep, Les Blomberg, an anti-noise advocate, has it exactly right: “All it takes is a few seconds of one of these things blaring, and that’s it—you’re wide awake.”

New York should be the first municipality to ban car alarms: you can have one if you want, but you can’t turn it on in the five boroughs. If yours goes off even for a moment, you are subject to a $500 fine. In the same vein, state legislators should end the absurd mandated insurance break for alarms.

The industry would howl and lobby to derail a ban, of course, just as it worked successfully to quash a City Council bill in 1997 that would have outlawed the aftermarket sale of alarms within the city. But a firm mayoral push might be sufficient to get enough council members on board to pass a ban. Moreover, a ban might head off a new, motion-activated bike alarm, called “Cycurity,” that will be coming to market any day now with the potential to swell the urban din exponentially.

Sure, New York is never going to be a quiet place. Urban life is noisy. But cities have been getting inexorably louder in recent years: England’s are ten times noisier than a decade ago, with car alarms a major culprit, according to a new, long-term study. No doubt the same is true for New York and other U.S. cities too: the Census Bureau finds that noise—not crime, as you’d expect—is the major reason Americans give for wanting to move. People need noise limits to live peaceably together in great numbers, and they always have: the first recorded noise ordinance dates back to Julius Caesar’s banning of chariots from the streets of Rome after dark.

It’s a mark of how far New York has come from the era of 2,200 murders a year that we can think about amenities like peace and quiet rather than mere survival. Especially after September 11, we must keep on building a city that thrives and prospers—and urban civility is part of the recipe.

 

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To: Action-America
"This is yet another way for the have-nots to attack the haves."

I have no idea what your definition of haves and have-nots might be. I lived for a while on the upper east side in Manhattan and every night or early morning, some auto alarm would go off. These were cars parked on the street, not in indoor garages. The real "haves", by the way, can afford monthly indoor parking fees. The Bentleys, Porsches, and Ferraris are usually NOT parked outdoors.

The streets are not private property, they "belong" to the people who have to get up for work in the morning and catch the N train downtown. It is their taxes that built these roads and that maintain them. These are the "have-nots" who are awakened at 4 in the morning by some hideous screeching alarm.

101 posted on 10/29/2002 1:26:48 PM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Xenalyte
Ah yes. Car alarms breaking the mood. I do RevWar re-enacting and if the field is too close to the spectator parking, the first round sets off one or more car alarms.

Just one of the many absurdities.

102 posted on 10/29/2002 1:36:38 PM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Cobra64
First time, just leave a note. Second time, "key" the paint. Third time, liquid steel in the door locks.

You really think it's proper to ruin somebody's paint job (and cost them whatever..) or resort to such vandalism? Reminds me of a clown I once saw at the post office; I was just walking out and saw him (being judge and jury) letting the air out of a car's tires because he didn't like the way it was parked....he asked if it were mine, and I told him, "No, but if it had been, you'd be swallowing your teeth right now instead of asking questions."

Personally, I'd go more along the lines of big crayoned notes across the windshield, over and over again - the message would get through.

103 posted on 10/29/2002 1:45:24 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: Cobra64

Third time, liquid steel in the door locks.

Real bright!

If the car has an alarm on it, the doors open with the dongle, not the key.  The car's owner might never know that the key lock didn't work.  But hey, that's classic liberal logic.

 

104 posted on 10/29/2002 2:38:04 PM PST by Action-America
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To: Denver Ditdat
I think the Bond flick was "The Spy Who Loved Me" and not "Octopussy." Bond sure has gone thru a lot of vehicle types....first the Aston Martin DB5 (for Goldfinger and Thunderball), then an antique in Casiono Royale (not a "real" Bond film anyway) then the updated Aston Martin, then the BMW variants, and now I hear the latest film has a Jaguar?
105 posted on 10/29/2002 2:45:03 PM PST by ExSoldier
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To: All
This is the best anti-theft device I've ever seen.

I don't think they'll try again :)

106 posted on 10/29/2002 2:57:35 PM PST by Dementon
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To: Dementon
Too bad that South African system wouldn't pass muster in the new USA.

My personal favorite was the one from the opening scene in one of the RoboCop movies.  I forget which movie it was and the name of the system, but the effect was that the thief could get into the car, but when he sat down, metal arms would spring from the seat, holding him in place while he was fried.  It then released him and dumped him out on the ground.  The faux commercial then said, "No need to call the police and it won't even run down your battery.  [The alarm name]... the lethal advantage.

Too bad our government has become so intent on protecting the crooks, that we even think about such drastic measures.

 

107 posted on 10/29/2002 3:19:46 PM PST by Action-America
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To: steve-b

Unless you own every square inch of property within noise range, you have not earned any such privilege,...

So according to that logic, a person who has been successful enough to purchase a nice vehicle has not earned the privilege to protect that vehicle from theft, unless he lives on a farm.  Yeah, right!  Such liberal logic (actually lack of logic) never fails to amaze me.

 

108 posted on 10/30/2002 2:29:39 AM PST by Action-America
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To: steve-b

Based on his position that no one else has any rights, "Action-America" should choose a more honest name for himself, such as "Action-Iraq", "Action-NorthKorea", "Action-SaudiArabia", etc.

That's what I was waiting for.  Any time conservatives and liberals debate and all of the liberal arguments have been shot down, the liberals invariably resort to name calling.

It's logical to conclude someone's bias, based on his background and it's also logical to question a person's facts, based on that bias.  But, when the facts or logic in question cannot be refuted, liberals leave logic behind and resort to name calling.

I admit that I am biased in favor of private property rights.  I admit that I am a conservative.  That's my bias and I'm proud of it.  But, when conservatives back up their bias with solid facts and/or logic, liberals invariably resort to name calling.  When that happens, it's a clear sign that the liberals have essentially conceded that they have no further arguments.  Thank you for proving my point.

I rest my case.

 

109 posted on 10/30/2002 2:37:59 AM PST by Action-America
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To: Marauder
Try to get his address and phone number, and every time it goes off, call 911 and pretend to be him, whimpering that someone is breaking into your car and house, and to please hurry and send the SWAT team. Give them his number and address, scream and hang up.

BAD ADVICE

911 systems are linked up to the Caller-ID codes and cross-referenced to addresses, so that even if a person having an emergency is unable to speak their address, the dispatchers know exactly where to send the police/ambulance.

Try a prank 911 call like this, and they'll know *exactly* who phoned it in, and rightfully arrest you for a false alarm.

110 posted on 10/30/2002 2:59:59 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: traditionalist
Let's Ban Car Alarms

Sheesh.

The problem is not "car alarms", the problem is false alarms.

There are plenty of ways to deal with this problem short of banning all car alarms.

1. Impose a hefty fine for any car alarm which is blaring for no damned good reason. Ticket the car just the same as if it were illegally parked. People would adjust their alarms' sensitivities in a big damned hurry.

For added fun, give any citizen who reported the offending car a slice of the fine revenues.

3. If need be, just outlaw the motion/sound sensor part of car alarms. There's no need to outlaw the almost foolproof part of the alarm that goes off when a door is opened or an attempt is made to start the car without the system being disarmed -- those work via actual mechanical switches, not temperamental "sensors".

I have car alarms on both of my vehicles. Both are properly calibrated, and I've had exactly three false alarms in ten years: Once when the sensor failed (I had it replaced pronto), once when the car's battery cable worked loose, and once when we had such an enormous blast of thunder that the entire neighborhood shook as if we'd been bombed. They do *not* go off at the drop of a hat.

Fix the problem of frequent false alarms, and people will start noticing again when a car alarm goes off for good reason.

111 posted on 10/30/2002 3:16:03 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: Action-America
"I admit that I am biased in favor of private property rights."

And if the alarmed vehicle were sitting on a private driveway or a privately owned road, then you should be free to make all the noise you want. But this article specifically addresses the issue of cars parked on the taxpayer-funded, public-accomodation, streets of New York. Defending the "right" of a private individual to disturb the peace is not too different from defending the right of people to hold a loud and raucous block party at 3 or 4 in the morning.

As I suggested, these are not the "have-nots" rebelling against their betters; I'm sure that have-nots are not generally disturbed by car alarms. It is people who have to work for a living and who need to be able to sleep without being disturbed by Space Invaders sound effects at midnight. And yes, I have a car, and when I lived in New York I knew enough to keep it in my garage in New Jersey.

112 posted on 10/30/2002 4:26:24 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Action-America
I admit that I am biased in favor of private property rights.

Well, then, we agree -- you blast noise onto my property, I have the right to make the noise stop using any means necessary.

113 posted on 10/30/2002 5:01:53 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Dan Day
Impose a hefty fine for any car alarm which is blaring for no damned good reason. Ticket the car just the same as if it were illegally parked.

Unfortunately, the government seems determined to generate contempt for the police by sending them out to harass and rob the peasantry (artificially low speed limits, parking rules above and beyond any evident need for street clearance, etc), even though they could rake in just as much money by strenuous enforcement of laws that most people would see as worthwhile curtailment of public nuisances (fines for nuisance car alarms, ticketing for failure to stop at marked cross-walks, etc).

114 posted on 10/30/2002 5:58:04 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Action-America
resort to name calling

I get cranky when deprived of my beauty sleep (Ghu knows I need as much of that as I can get...).

115 posted on 10/30/2002 6:00:45 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Dan Day
You are correct, though my post was made in jest. I should have included a disclaimer.
116 posted on 10/30/2002 7:34:49 AM PST by Marauder
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To: Xenalyte
Every single day, without fail, the cannon doth sound, and a car alarm (the same car alarm) soundeth as well.

Cannon...car alarm. Cannon...car alarm.

There is a solution in there somewhere. (evil grin)

117 posted on 10/30/2002 8:04:32 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal
Only problem is that the cannon is fixed to the ground. Otherwise, we would have already availed ourselves of powder and wadding . . . fire in the hole!
118 posted on 10/30/2002 8:43:36 AM PST by Xenalyte
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen; Action-America
Your both good guys so ill try to mediate. Trying to eliminate excess noise in public places is consistent with libertarian principles because excess noise( I don't mind occasional car alarms but I really hate loud bass music it physically hurts my ears) in public can be an initation force against bystanders this is one of the grey areas where individual rights conflict in public conflict. So I would be against banning all car alarms but in favor of banning the useless cheap ones which just make noise and do nothing else as those are just useless noise.
119 posted on 10/30/2002 8:00:17 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
I don't want to see them banned across the board, but I do agree with the author (from experience) that Manhattan, at least, is the wrong place for them because:
- Since almost everybody lives in an apartment, not always fronting the street where the car is parked, the owner may not even HEAR the alarm,
- The overwhelming majority of alarms are triggered falsely, thus creating a "Boy who cried 'wolf'" attitude.

In other words, from a purely practical perspective, in Manhattan they do not do what they are supposed to do. All they do is interfere with the needful rest of cliff-dwelling wage slaves such as moi. "Hey, buddy, keep it down out theah! People are tryin' a' sleep!"

120 posted on 10/31/2002 4:28:48 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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