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America's 80 Million Potential Snipers
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership ^ | Posted October 23, 2002 | By Timothy Wheeler, M.D.

Posted on 10/27/2002 10:11:12 AM PST by vannrox

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To: vannrox
I'm getting about sick of the idiocy of the left-wing press. I especially noted Brokaw's castigation of the bushmaster .223 as a sniping weapon. To all the idiots in the media, there are about 2000 calibers that can kill a person. A new one can be made up by a competent gunsmith in a few hours. John "religion of peace" Mohammed already broke a slew of laws in toting this gun around. Hey libs, why don't you just pass a law outlawing sniping from a hole in your trunk! Americans please don't give up your constitutional 2nd amendment rights because some gutless libs want the world safe for their NAMBLA parties.
41 posted on 10/27/2002 3:56:50 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: All

In a letter to The Journal of the American Medical Association, public health gun grabber Dr. Jeremiah Barondess and his colleagues in New York City wrote that ideally all handguns would be banned, but such a ban was not yet politically feasible.

As Diaz puts it, "certainly [BATF] would not allow semi-automatic assault weapons to be manufactured and sold, and we believe that, ultimately, handguns would be phased out through such an agency."

When a person or activist group chooses irrationality over reason, chooses dishonesty over honesty, chooses false context or partial context over full-context the numbers and statistics they use to support their claims -- having failed on reason, honesty and full context -- will be presented irrationally, dishonestly and with false context.

What's the solution?

Putting Occam's Razor to work. Occam's Razor is a theory wherein the simplest explanation has the highest probability of being the correct explanation. The most useful statement of the principle for scientists is: "when you have two competing theories which make exactly the same predictions, the one that is simpler is the better."

Applying Occam's razor to the gun debate. One example is the question: "How can women better protect themselves from being rapped?" Now, to put that question in context so that a person unfamiliar with firearms can grasp the answer via Occam's Razor:

Simple question for women (Or asked of a man in regards to his wife or daughter's safety.): If your were confronted by a criminal wanting to rape you which would you prefer?

1) A cell phone to dial 911. (Keep in mind that you'd have no defense to stop the rapist from ripping the cell phone out of your hand before you can dial 911.)

2) A hand gun that you were trained on to use in self-defense.

It should be obvious to the reader that honest, full-context statistics can answer the question. But we're dealing with irrationality, dishonesty and false-context/partial-context. Thus the reason for applying Occam's Razor as though both sides had equal weight. This has the added benefit of demonstrating how the side that is being deceptive uses statistics in attempt to defy common-sense logic.

Here's another example of Occam's Razor to work. This example regards the "war on drugs". The question needing an explanation is: Why has the war on drugs by all accounts failed to be won? Answer: That DEA has no motivation to reduce any drug problem. For, it has no desire to reduce its jobs or power.

Further edification:

If a person thinks they've harmed by a person's drug possession they can take the defendant to court and do their best to prove to an impartial jury that they/plaintiff had been hammed by that. The plaintiff would be lucky to convince a third of the jurors that they had been harmed by the defendant -- let alone convince all twelve jurors, which the plaintiff needs to obtain a guilty verdict.

Proof is simple and best expressed by a defendant's lawyer speaking to an impartial jury:

"Clearly the plaintiff and his lawyer have failed by all accounts to show any evidence -- failed to show even one single piece of evidence -- to support his claim that he has been harmed by my client's drug possession. The plaintiff's claim is wholly unsupported.

"Since supporters of the war on drugs have nothing but wholly unsupported claims they chose to harm people that possess drugs by enlisting government agents to initiate force on their behalf. That is, they are truly guilty of that which they falsely accuse others of -- initiating harm against a person that's minding his or her own business."


42 posted on 10/27/2002 4:21:59 PM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
Hmmm. I'm not quite sure I completely understand the principle of Occam's Razor. Let me take a stab at it:

Would you rather have a neighbor that was...

A. ...a hippie that smoked pot and shot gophers off his back porch?

or

B. ...a martini drinking liberal who voted?

How's that? ; )
43 posted on 10/27/2002 5:04:42 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: Rye
all of America's 80 million gun owners are potential snipers, according to the gun banners' logic.

Kind of like the (il)logic used by feminazis, that "all men are potential rapists."


Well, let's all turn in our guns and go and be castrated and then everything will be just ducky. Oh, we're off to see the wizard.
44 posted on 10/27/2002 5:09:49 PM PST by RipSawyer
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To: TigersEye
Per your "example", you don't understand Occam's Razor. Not that you were intending to show that you did. ;)
45 posted on 10/27/2002 5:18:28 PM PST by Zon
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To: Anticommie
There was not terrorism in 1800's America

Sure there was. They were called Indian raids.

.. since most population was armed

Just imagine if the state and federal governments in 1800 asked all citizens to disarm in response to an Indian raid. Pretty stupid. Now consider the terrorism that goes on daily in in Washington D.C. neighborhoods.

, and streets were safe too, so were communities, large cities, small towns, let any gun hater argue this point.

It's fair to remember that Police and Constables are a luxury and convenience that we allowed and began first in communties that could afford it, not because anyone believed the right of law enforcement belonged solely to the Constablry and not to the citizenry.

46 posted on 10/27/2002 5:23:55 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Zon
I'll have to study up on it, soon's I git this gopher population thinned down a bit. :^)
47 posted on 10/27/2002 5:24:17 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: 700pss
"And who needs a .50 caliber anyway"

because they don't make a .60 caliber, thats why.

48 posted on 10/27/2002 5:28:52 PM PST by SSN558
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To: Brian Mosely
110 million Americans are potential prostitutes.
49 posted on 10/27/2002 5:32:21 PM PST by oyez
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To: 2nd Amendment
***Americans please dont't give up your constitutional 2nd amendment rights because some gutless libs want the world safe for their NAMBLA parties.***

Funny you should mention this. The UN is working on this very concept. America has to be disarmed before the "rights of the Child"(sexual liberty) can be implemented.

50 posted on 10/27/2002 5:56:02 PM PST by martian_22
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To: TigersEye
LOL!!! -- Very funny.

BTW, martini-drinking liberals aren't in season -- yet. ;^)

51 posted on 10/27/2002 5:56:45 PM PST by Zon
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To: TigersEye
Would you rather have a neighbor that was...

Put me down for the Hippy. He won't try to run every aspect of my life.

Having a Liberal around would be no better than having an abusive, live-in boyfriend (if one were a woman).

52 posted on 10/27/2002 6:06:11 PM PST by Gritty
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To: BenLurkin
But 'they' seem to think that 'they', the mighty gun-grabbing-liberal, speak for everyone!
53 posted on 10/27/2002 6:56:26 PM PST by dsutah
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To: 700pss
Amen!
54 posted on 10/27/2002 7:28:37 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: vannrox
Barf Alert

Actually a welcome breath of sanity amidst all the insanity.

55 posted on 10/27/2002 7:46:58 PM PST by MileHi
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To: BenLurkin
80 million . . . Hey the gun owners ARE America! The five or ten million "elite" leftists are NOT America.

With odds like this, I don't understand why we're losing. Most of those 80 million must be either lazy or brainwashed.

56 posted on 10/27/2002 7:51:43 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: vannrox
New statistics on crime in other parts of the world have been released. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, show that England has much higher levels of crime than the U.S.

Among industrialized nations, England and Wales rank second overall.

Twenty-six percent of British citizens have been victimized by violent crime. Australia leads all industrialized nations with 30 percent of its population victimized. Canada ranks fifth, with 24 percent of its citizens victimized.

What about the United States? Not even in the top-10. In the U.S. 21 percent of the citizens have been victims of a violent crime.

Some more highlights:

Percent of population that suffered "contact crime":

--England and Wales: 3.6 percent

--United States: 1.9 percent

--Japan: 0.4 percent

Rates of burglary with entry (i.e., breaking and entering):

--Australia: 3.9 percent

--Denmark: 3.1 percent

--England and Wales: 2.8 percent

--United States: 2.6 percent

Australia, by the way, leads industrialized nations in burglary rates. There's a reason for this. It's illegal to own a firearm for self defense in Australia. Predators are relatively assured that the homes they break into will not be defended by a homeowner with a gun.

Denmark ranks second in burglaries, and the U.S. ranks eighth. England and Wales lead in car thefts, followed by Australia and France. The U.S. didn't rank in the top 10 in car thefts.

As I said, it's well worth noting that both Great Britain and Australia have some of the most stringent anti-gun laws in the world. The Australian government banned and confiscated thousands of privately-owned guns a few years ago. In Britain, private ownership of handguns was banned after the Dunblane massacre in 1996. Violent crime in both countries has skyrocketed.

Citizens of Britain and Australia can't fight back...so the criminals can run wild without fear of consequences. Americans, on the other hand, fight back--over 7,000 times a day, Americans use guns to defend themselves. That's a significant factor that contributes to our low crime rates compared to the rest of the world.

None of this matters to the anti-gun crowd. They still want your guns. They'll find a way to twist these statistics to show that Britain and Australia's gun bans have worked.

57 posted on 10/27/2002 7:59:11 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: vannrox
How about those 10,000,000 people who might steal a gun from one of the 80,000,000? Murderers will find a way to kill, they would just change their weapon or make an even worse weapon. Guns kill one person at a time, bombs wipe out a whole building.
58 posted on 10/28/2002 6:24:09 AM PST by ODDITHER
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To: Glutton
Death To all Tyrant's !!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left-wing anti-gun-nazis' !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

Guns Save Lives !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

FMCDH !!

59 posted on 10/29/2002 12:35:01 PM PST by blackie
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