Posted on 10/27/2002 3:47:46 AM PST by Sabertooth
'If you ever leave me, I'll kill you and the kids' Rob Carson; The News Tribune Charlie Green says he's sure John Allen Muhammad is the Washington, D.C., sniper. And he says he knows why he did it. Green, 39, says he's the brother of Muhammad's second ex-wife, Mildred Green. He lived in the same Tacoma house with Muhammad's family for three years, he said, and he knows how the man's mind works.
Based on that, Green said he believes the 10 fatal shootings in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia were part of an elaborate scheme to murder Mildred and the couple's three children, who recently had moved to the Washington, D.C., area to get away from Muhammad.
"He was getting ready to take out my sister and the kids," Green contends. "All those other innocent people, they died because he was trying to cover up."
Green, a truck driver who now lives in Providence, R.I., was in Tacoma on Friday during a layover and called The News Tribune. He said he "wanted Tacoma to know first-hand why all this happened."
He said he has known Muhammad for more than 20 years, since Green was in high school in Baton Rouge and Muhammad first began seeing his sister.
Green's information could not be independently verified, and a Tacoma police spokesman said the department's investigation has not involved Mildred Green's brother. Green did, however, provide a commercial driver's license, and the Polk City Directory for 1999 lists him as a resident of 7302 S. Ainsworth Ave., where John and Mildred Muhammad lived during the 1990s.
During the interview, Green pointed out that Muhammad's killings ringed the house in Clinton, Md., where Muhammad's former wife and children were living.
Muhammad was gradually closing in on them, Green said, so that he eventually could kill them and have their deaths dismissed as random acts.
"He did it because he wanted to kill my sister, and he wanted to kill the kids," Green said. "That was his main target. He killed all those other innocent people at random right under their noses. He made it look like it was a real sniper on the loose."
When the sniper issued threats that he would start killing children, it was Muhammad, laying the groundwork for what he intended to do, Green said.
"He was stalking them the whole time," Green alleged.
He noted that the rest stop where Muhammad and his teenage companion, John Lee Malvo, were arrested is just a short drive from Mildred's house.
Muhammad had already staked out the house, Green said, and once was spotted by his 12-year-old son, John Jr. One day recently the boy came into the house and told his sister, "I saw Daddy," said Green, who said he keeps in contact with his family, including Mildred.
Not knowing Muhammad apparently had found them, Green said, his sister told the boy, "No, you didn't, honey, Daddy is nowhere around here."
Muhammad also was spotted by a neighbor, Green said, a man Muhammad tried to befriend and enlist as a jogging partner.
Back in his high school days, Green said, Muhammad was known as "Neckbone" because of the stiff way he walked.
"He would always walk with his eyes down on the ground," Green said. "He never would look up to see what was around him. He never would speak to anyone. He was a cold piece."
Muhammad had an "anger problem ever since I knew him," Green said.
"You would say, 'Hi, John, how you doing?' And he would say nothing. He felt like he was better than everybody else."
"He didn't drink, didn't use drugs," Green said. "He always stayed physically fit. He was Mr. ROTC. He would wear the ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corps) suit to school. The guy was just born to be in the military."
After Muhammad got out of the army, Green said, he became such a strong follower of a radical sect of Islam that it warped his view of the world.
"If you would say the word 'Jesus' around him he'd get very offended," Green said. "One time I brought some pork chops into the house, and he just went off like he was ready to burn the whole house down."
Mildred was a convert, too, Green said, and they were strict vegetarians. They ate only cheese pizza and certain kinds of butter, and used only certain kinds of dishwashing liquid, he said.
"When they'd get tacos for the kids," he said, "they'd get them with just lettuce in them."
Muhammad was a strict disciplinarian with his children but never hit them except for an occasional swat on the bottom, Green said. When he scolded them, "The kids would just shrink up," Green said.
"He was a great father, a very strong father figure. The kids respected their dad to the utmost."
But he could not control his anger, Green said.
"He's always been that way," Green said. "He would hold it in and hold it in and then he'd explode."
One night, Green said, when Muhammad didn't know he was in the house, he heard him tell his sister: "If you ever leave me, I'll kill you and the kids."
"He just snapped when my sister said she didn't want anything to do with him anymore," Green said. "That's when he lost it."
When Green realized his sister and the children were in danger, he said, he had thoughts about killing Muhammad before he could hurt the family.
"I'm not a violent person," he said. "But I wanted to take him out myself. I should have done it, even though it would have destroyed my life. Then all those innocent people would still be alive."
Rob Carson 253-597-8693 (Published 11:30PM, October 26th, 2002)
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Downright fascinating. Where did you get that information? Does this mean that Malvo is a follower of voodoo or santeria?
And BTW, has anyone actually seen the tarot card? There are several kinds of tarot decks, including a voodoo tarot which looks very different from others. I surfed around yesterday to see if I could find pictures online of voodoo tarot that depicted a duck and a noose, but could not find many pictures. But it had occurred to me that tarot, duck-noose imagery might be voodoo. Malvo had been in Haiti, where voodoo is practiced.
I ran across this page while looking around.
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/1780/voodoo.htm
My guess is he's almost a Moslem, and is very aware of "5% Nation" materials.
In the end we will probably discover that he was a stone-coled killer that Mr. Muhammad brought up to "take care of some deals".
Yeah, so he probably would have only killed his ex-wife. What a guy. Although I wouldn't downplay the Mohammedan angle either. It was probably a two-fer for him. Kill the infidels and get even with his wife.
Not if you're living in a car having sex with a teen age boy.
Mohammad called CNN?
Yes, I guess when they could not get through to LE, they tried CNN, and CNN blew off the call thinking it was a prank.
I'm impressed with this police chief.
I expect more suprises in this case.
Do you know how/when they discovered it was not a prank...code words?
No, I don't. But on CNN's Late Edition this morning, Wolf Blitzer was interviewing Executive Douglas M. Duncan, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose, FBI agent Gary Bald.
During the interview Blitzer was asking Moose why did the LE not do or recognize something and Moose politely with a smile ask Blitzer why CNN did not report to LE that the snippers had called them. Blitzer had to admit that they had CNN had racked it up as a prank call.
The fact that this man who must have traveled cross-country to the Washington DC area for some reason (the move of more than three thousand miles was not done as the result of a random whim) … combined with the fact that the killings seemed to ‘ring’ his ex wife’s Clinton, MD home …. is semi-compelling evidence that the deaths of the ten innocents may well have been simply used to set the stage for Mildred Green’s also (supposedly random, but actually strategically calculated) death.
It’s the theory that he planned to also target his three children that doesn’t sit well with me, for two reasons:
(1) There was a bitter custody battle over those children, and, after Mildred Green was awarded custody, Muhammed kidnapped them and took them out of the country. (Although, considering this man’s demented nature, I suppose that is not necessarily proof of a burning desire to have them with him. It could also simply have been proof of a burning desire to sadistically deprive her of them.)
(2) The killing of four people at one time (and all of them members of the same family) would not at all have fit the M.O. of the sniper. Muhammed, of all people, must have been well aware of that. If he intended to eventually target his family, he would have planned the 'set-up' to also include multiple simultaeous killings.
So, it seems that, if Green’s accusations are at all plausible (and they do seem to be, to a degree), I would dispute only the aspect that the three children were intended to be eventual victims. If indeed Mildred Green was the actual target, I believe she was the lone one – after which Muhammed might either have gained custody of his children once again (this time legally), or he may have simply been satisfied with doing away with the woman for whom he apparently harbored such hatred, and then allowed the children to be placed elsewhere, because their role as pawns in a game of vengeance had been played out.
Whatever his motivation was (this obscene plan, or another), it’s just a tragedy that thirteen innocents had to find themselves in his crosshairs.
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