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Sniper Letter Linked to [Blacks = G-d] Movement
ap via newsday ^ | 10/26/02

Posted on 10/26/2002 4:56:37 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker

NEW YORK -- The letter left at the scene of a sniper shooting contains phrases often associated with a group that believes the black man is God and spreads its message through prison recruitment and popular hip-hop music.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: jihadinamerica; race
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To: randita
Black Power!

Million Youth March,
Khallid Muhammad, and the Black Grassroots Family in Solidarity with Mumia

March 20, 1999
5:30pm
Church of the advocate (18th & diamond)
Philadelphia

Keynote Speaker: Khallid muhammad

Organizers:
Atty. Malik Zulu Shabazz, MYM National Youth Director, DC
Erica Ford, December 12 Movement, NY
Ishmael Salaam, Lost/Found Nation of Islam, Philly
Hiram Ashantee, RISE Foundation, Philly
Hirith Bilal, United for Success, Philly
Divine Allah, Nation of Gods & Earths, Trenton
David Miller & Jabari Natur, Reality Speaks, Baltimore
Sistah Tia, Ghetto Peoples' Liberation Party, Philly

For More Info Call: (215) 477-3037

Mumia, we backin you up with Black Power!
Sponsored by: Million Youth March, RISE Foundation, New Black Student Movement, & New Black Panther Party

21 posted on 10/26/2002 6:41:16 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Bogey78O
Breaking down of words--brings to mind the "like a duck in a noose". Other than being an acronym for Ladin, how else could that be broken down?
22 posted on 10/26/2002 6:51:23 PM PDT by randita
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To: hispanarepublicana
Lookie. You were ahead of the curve.

I am really convinced that journalists at least LURK here, if they're not posting. ;)

23 posted on 10/26/2002 6:59:31 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: randita
Malcolm X did not become a socialist. But he was a revolutionary, and that meant he had to look at how the oppressed and exploited could overthrow the system that holds them down. He said, "You have whites who are fed up. you have blacks who are fed up... "When the day comes when the whites who are really fed up...learn how to establish the proper type of communication with those blacks who are fed up and they get some coordinated action going, you'll get some changes. And it will take both. it will take everything that you've got."

He believed such unity was desirable but very difficult to achieve. The first step, he said, was to build a militant black organisation. The anti Vietnam war movement and the black ghetto uprisings in the late 1960s showed the possibility for unity between blacks and whites. No one knows how Malcolm's ideas would have developed had he witnessed that. We do know he had no time for the idea that an "enlightened elite" could reform racism away or that the mass of black people should put their faith in the handful accepted into the establishment.

He said, "It's impossible for a chicken to produce a duck egg. The system in this country cannot produce freedom for the Afro-American. It is impossible for this system, this economic system, this political system, this social system, this system period."

24 posted on 10/26/2002 7:05:44 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Bogey78O
sorry. I forgot to link the source i got this from....

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/1815/sw181515.htm
25 posted on 10/26/2002 7:06:18 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: randita
Furthermore...

"It's impossible for a chicken to produce a duck egg... The system in this country cannot produce freedom for an Afro-American. It is impossible for this system, this economic system, this political system, period... And if ever a chicken did produce a duck egg, I'm certain you would say it was certainly a revolutionary chicken!"-Malcolm X
26 posted on 10/26/2002 7:08:46 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: randita
Now phrseology is important to an NGE. To him if he's alluding to this he can think of himself as the full grown duck (a revolutionary black man) and he is being strung up (lynched) by the police (America).

Of course that's a far stretch. But who knows...
27 posted on 10/26/2002 7:11:04 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: iconoclast
Go away! Stop being a JERK! So you are a 5% supporter and don't want the truth out huh? Moronic post.
28 posted on 10/26/2002 7:15:37 PM PDT by smoking camels
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To: kcvl
This looks like something that nut job Louie would come up with. He is sooo deep you know.

Get Out Of Our Country!!!!
29 posted on 10/26/2002 7:17:28 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: NativeNewYorker
More info:

(From National Drug Intelligence Center)

Five Percenters

The Five Percent or the Nation of Gods and Earths, founded in 1964 by Clarence Edward Smith Jowers upon his expulsion from the Nation of Islam, is a loosely knit organization made up mostly of African Americans. The name Five Percenters, derived from the "Mathematics" of the Nation of Islam "Lessons," is symbolic of members believing they are the true five percent gods of the universe with the knowledge and wisdom to deliver the black man from the home of the devil. Five Percenters do not consider their beliefs a religion and teach Islam as a righteous culture for black individuals. They believe that a black man with the knowledge (the Five Percent) is a god of himself as well as his people and that the "eurogentiles" have deceived the whole world causing it to honor and worship false gods and idols. Understanding this philosophy is essential for those who encounter Five Percenters. In its hierarchy, a Five Percenter male is a god with the highest status, followed by black males in the masses, earths (Five Percenter females), black females in the masses, white males, and white females. Some members do not believe they are accountable for the crimes they commit because of their status as gods or earths. Many members formed loosely organized sets that distribute drugs and commit violent crimes, including against each other. Some Five Percenters profess their beliefs through the lyrics of popular rap and hip-hop music.

Several street gangs are involved in drug distribution and violent crime throughout the state. Survey responses to the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) National Street Gang Survey Report 2000 illustrate that most of the 19 reported street gangs in New Jersey distribute drugs and commit violent crimes, including assaults, drive-by shootings, and homicides. The Bloods, Latin Kings, and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters, a cultural group, are the most prominent (have the most chapters). (See text box.) All distribute cocaine, heroin, and marijuana from Jersey City and Irvington, New Jersey. The Latin Kings and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters cultural group also distribute in Camden, while the Bloods distribute in Eatontown.

30 posted on 10/26/2002 7:18:05 PM PDT by randita
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New Jersey has known about the Five Percent for decades. Ron Holvey, the state's top prison investigator, estimates the state's prisons hold at least 1,000 Five Percenters and perhaps several times that.

What was a loose, disorganized gang changed in recent years, Holvey said. "We started to see a different level of organization within the Five Percenters," he said. "More acts of violence within the prison, more assaults on inmates, more assaults on staff.

In January, New Jersey prison authorities said they caught eight members of the group ready to attack and kill guards. Lives, officials said, were saved by an informant's tip.

New Jersey put 80 members in its gang management unit after that. Federal prisons classify the group as a gang, though they haven't been singled out for special punishment.

Although authorities say they know the threat the Nation poses in prisons, few can talk with firsthand knowledge of its work on the streets. One is Detective Louis Jordan. Once a teen-age gang member, now he's a gang expert in the prosecutor's office in Monmouth County; N.J.

There are two sides to the Five Percent, he said, those who are serious about the lessons and those who use the name to hide criminal activity There are the five Percenters and the "jive percenters," as he puts it.

In his jurisdiction, he figures there am 400 or so real Five Pereenters. Then there's a gang of about 60.

31 posted on 10/26/2002 7:23:17 PM PDT by randita
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To: smoking camels
So you are a 5% supporter and don't want the truth out huh? Moronic post.

Next time post enough of an excerpt to give better clues to what you are talking about.

My feelings/thoughts about the "Minister" should be well known on this forum.

I do believe the "5%" part but it has nothing to with race and a lot to do with those who use words like "jerk" in their replies.

32 posted on 10/26/2002 8:31:25 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
Maybe I misunderstood. The original poster posted a link to an article that is pertinent. You attacked him for it. I think that is being a jerk. If you disagree please explain why you made the comments you did. I am referring to post number 14. This posting is not silly and is indeed pertinent. I jumped you for your attack in a rather rude manner. Sorry for being rude. But you better explain why YOU can attack in a moronic manner and I can't.
33 posted on 10/26/2002 8:42:41 PM PDT by smoking camels
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To: SauronOfMordor
based on his research on the Net.

Dude, I'm as female as they come! I guess you flunked Spanish I; but, that's okay. You obviously passed civics....

34 posted on 10/26/2002 8:55:26 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: DoctorMichael; nicmarlo; sweetliberty; wirestripper
Leave it to a Freeper to keep me more informed about links to African-American subculture than a whole gaggle of talking heads reading from press releases.

Looks like the press finally picked it up 1 hr or so after it was posted here.  I guess if they lurk, it's a step in the right direction....See this post:

Sniper Letter Linked to [Blacks = G-d] Movement

35 posted on 10/26/2002 9:09:07 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: hispanarepublicana
Well, looks like you done good. This will be all over the place in 24 hrs.
36 posted on 10/26/2002 10:15:54 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: kcvl
Supreme Mathematics! No more excuses on standardized testing fairness.
37 posted on 10/26/2002 10:43:55 PM PDT by ewm138
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To: NativeNewYorker
Farrakan supposely had comments today about the sniper. Did anyone see him and report?
38 posted on 10/26/2002 10:56:40 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
Farrakhan: Sniper Suspect Was Member
Sat Oct 26, 8:32 PM ET

CHICAGO (AP) - Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan acknowledged Saturday that suspected sniper John Allen Muhammad is a member of the religious group.

But Farrakhan said the man would be ousted from the Chicago-based group if he is convicted in the series of shootings that left 10 people dead and three wounded.

"He has not formally been kicked out of the Nation of Islam, but certainly if he's found guilty of something like this he would not be considered at all a member," Farrakhan said.

Farrakhan said he "grieves for the senseless loss of life" caused by the sniper shootings in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C.

Farrakhan held a news conference in response to speculation that Muhammad provided security at the "Million Man March" in Washington. Farrahkan, who organized the march, said Muhammad, 41, did not provide security.

"He might well have been there," Farrakhan said of Muhammad, who changed his name from John Allen Williams after converting to Islam.

Farrakhan said Muhammad joined the Nation of Islam in 1997 but that he had not been in contact with the group since 1999, when he was involved in a domestic dispute with his wife, also a member of the group.

"Those who knew him never said ugly things about his conduct or his behavior," Farrakhan
39 posted on 10/26/2002 11:36:23 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SauronOfMordor; DoctorMichael; sweetliberty; wirestripper; Shermy; OldFriend; BigBobber; ...
PING! (sorry if you've already pinged or posted on this thread; thought this was an important thread). Because of FReepers, the TRUTH gets told.....and gets out! Thanks to all of you who have posted info and done research on this subject; there's an old saying, UNITED WE STAND; we, and people like us, are the reason our Country doesn't turn into a commie/socialist totally propaganda-fed society.

Thanks to hispanarepublicana, and an observant SauronOfMordor, who wrote:

Interesting that AP comes out with an article on this for the first time at 6:27pm, 45 minutes after Freeper hispanarepublicana posted Are the Snipers Part of the "Five Percent Nation"? ("The Black Man is God" Among Teachings), based on his research on the Net.

40 posted on 10/27/2002 6:02:23 AM PST by nicmarlo
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