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Muslim arrested in Beltway case (John Muhammad)
WorldNetDaily ^ | October 24, 2002 | Art Moore

Posted on 10/24/2002 5:21:19 AM PDT by Michael2001

TACOMA, Wash. – Two men wanted for questioning in the D.C.-area sniper case were arrested early this morning at a rest stop near I-70 in the vicinity of Myersville, Md., about 45 miles northwest of the nation's capital, according to news reports.

John Allen Muhammad, 41, and stepson Lee Malvo, 17, were transported to Montgomery County, where the sniper task force is headquartered.

A rifle was found in Muhammad's car, reported WUSA-TV in Washington, D.C.

Neighbors who several years ago lived near Muhammad in Tacoma, Wash., described him last night as the head of a devout Muslim family who was prone to domestic violence, according to Seattle's KOMO-TV.

Federal sources said Muhammad and Malvo were known to speak sympathetically about the men who attacked the United States on Sept. 11, but the officials believe neither man to be associated with the al-Qaida terrorist network, the Seattle Times reported.

In connection with the sniper case, however, the FBI reportedly is searching "Camp Ground Zero USA" in Marion, Ala., a militant Islamic training camp with possible links to al-Qaida. Last night Fox News reported that FBI sources said "they are not at liberty to comment" and cannot confirm or deny their agents are investigating the camp.

WorldNetDaily reported two days after the D.C.-area shootings began Oct. 2 that FBI profilers believed the case fit no regular category and could find no motive other than terrorism. The shootings, which have caused an economic slowdown in the area, started four days after al-Qaida warned the U.S. that it would strike economic targets, WND reported last Thursday. A former CIA operative told WND in a story published Saturday, that the nature of the killings and Pentagon involvement in the probe support the terrorism theory.

In March 1999, Muhammad abducted his children and took them to the Caribbean after separating from his wife earlier that year, KOMO said. The children, a 12-year-old son and two younger daughters, now reportedly are in protective custody in Maryland.

As the focus of the Maryland-based sniper probe moved to the Pacific Northwest yesterday, task force head Charles Moose announced that Muhammad, also known as John Allen Williams, was being sought for information related to the case.

Moose told reporters last night that it should not be assumed that Muhammad "is involved in any of the shootings we are investigating," but is wanted for federal firearms violations and may have information material to the sniper probe.

Muhammad, described as about 6 feet 1 and 180 pounds, was believed to be traveling with a juvenile and considered "armed and dangerous," Moose said.

The Montgomery County, Md., police chief also gave a message to the sniper.

Moose said "our inability to talk has been a concern for us as well as for you," noting several attempts to establish a connection.

"You have indicated that you wanted us to do and say certain things," Moose said in his message to the sniper. "You asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose.' We understand that hearing us say this is important to you."

The solution, Moose said, "remains to call us and get a private toll free number established," or write to a post office box address.

The police chief's references apparently were related to a note found at the site of Saturday's shooting near Richmond, Va., and another at Tuesday's Montgomery County attack both of which included a demand for $10 million.

Seattle's KOMO radio reports that Muhammad is a veteran of the Persian Gulf War.

A former soldier who says he recognized Muhammad in a photo on TV news last night said he served with Muhammad in the Army.

Randy Lyons, of Bothell, Wash., told KING-TV that he knew Muhammad as an "outstanding soldier" who had a "very pretty wife and kids."

Authorities said they also were searching for Muhammad's stepson, John Lee Malvo, a citizen of Jamaica, according to CNN and Fox News.

Fox said the two men are linked to a blue or burgundy 1990 Chevy Caprice with New Jersey license NDA-21Z, which matched the car in which they were found asleep.

Fox News also reported that warrants related to the D.C. case issued yesterday in Montgomery, Ala.

A telephone call from the sniper alerted investigators to look into a Sept. 21 fatal shooting at a liquor store in Montgomery, according to the Seattle Times.

An official said a piece of paper found at the Alabama shooting scene was traced to Malvo, who then was linked to a Tacoma house where he had been living with Muhammad.

Muhammad was based at nearby Fort Lewis, Wash., in 1994-95 and lived in a Tacoma neighborhood where a backyard search for ballistic material was conducted yesterday, according to Peggy Bellows, an editor for the Tacoma News Tribune.

FBI agents also conducted a search yesterday in Bellingham, Wash., related to two persons of interest in the D.C. sniper case, at least one of whom is "not a U.S. national," according to the mayor of the city in northwestern Washington state.

Agents in Tacoma recovered two shell casings along with a tree stump with bullet holes in the backyard of a fourplex, said KOMO-TV in Seattle.

The material was to be transported by air to Washington, D.C., according to news reports.

Bellingham mayor Mark Asmundson told Seattle's KING-TV that his police department began cooperating yesterday morning with FBI agents interested in two men who were residents of the city, near the Canadian border, in the past year and a half.

One was a student at Bellingham High School and the other was an older man, according to Asmundson.

A KOMO-TV report later confirmed that the student was Malvo.

The two were most recently in Bellingham nine months ago, Asmundson said.

"Being near the border, we've had our share of unusual characters in Bellingham," Asmundson said.

In Tacoma, sources confirmed that the search there was related to the D.C. sniper case, according to KIRO-TV.

Fort Lewis spokesman Lt. Col. Joseph Piek said the FBI had asked for help from the base, KOMO-TV reported.

The backyard search was conducted by consent of the property owner, said FBI spokesperson Melissa Mallon on the scene late yesterday afternoon. Local television news reports said the owner is not a person of interest.

"There is no immediate danger for anybody in this neighborhood," Mallon said. "If there were, we would let people know."

Tacoma mayor Bill Baarsma said in an interview with KING-TV in Seattle that he was called out of a meeting at about 12:30 p.m. yesterday to be met by the FBI.

"It was a day of irony for me, because I was called out of a meeting about how to cope with a terrorist attack," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: alfuqra; alqaeda; blackmuslims; blackpanthers; jamaatalfuqra; newblackpanthers
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To: Dave S
I thought it was already running and had been abandoned. Oregon rings a bell though.
221 posted on 10/24/2002 9:59:49 AM PDT by Lx
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To: keri
Thanks for the ping, keri.

The connections seem so fluid and nebulous that we'll probably never find out the whole truth about any of this.

222 posted on 10/24/2002 10:00:18 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Illbay
He loves America, but he is also committed to his religion

Sorry, but this simply is not possible. One of the REQUIREMENTS of Islam is to strive for an Islamic state under Sharia law. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with many of the principles of the United States government (freedom of speech, expression, equal rights, etc). In other words, what you insist is true cannot be, since it is a paradox. If he is loyal to America, he cannot be a good Muslim. And if he is a good Muslim, he cannot be loyal to America. Under Islam, the two are mutually exclusive.

If this man is really your friend, then either you must be a muslim as well, or he isn't really your friend (or were you unaware that the Quran demands that Muslims take neither Christian nor Jew as friend, and only other muslims?). In other words, this too is a paradox. If he is really a good friend of yours, then he isn't a good muslim. And if he is a good muslim, then he isn't really a good friend of yours.

The best you can hope for is that this person isn't really a devout muslim, but is instead just some guy that grew up under muslim culture and didn't take it too seriously.
223 posted on 10/24/2002 10:01:28 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Jeff Head
That was a lot of shootin' and scootin' for one team!
224 posted on 10/24/2002 10:04:57 AM PDT by Chapita
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To: WRhine
This country is sick with PCism to the point of no chance of recovery.

There is a way to return but it involves economic meltdown to reset everybody's expectations back to the days before our kids were spoiled and we were too involved with survival to worry about minorities.


BUMP

226 posted on 10/24/2002 10:18:45 AM PDT by tm22721
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To: FreeReign
motives were both greed and terror...

Exactly! These are not mutually exclusive. But given his greater weakness for $s than 72 virgins, he may not have been found suitable for some of the more serious terrorist jobs.

227 posted on 10/24/2002 10:19:41 AM PDT by mikeIII
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To: Mitchell
We'll probably not ever know the whole truth, I agree.

The connections *are* fluid and nebulous, that is true as well. But I also think it doesn't matter there is no clear, well-defined and established link. The common goal of all these groups is the same: to establish a "nation of Islam." I don't think -- at least any longer --this means a geographical area...

228 posted on 10/24/2002 10:20:28 AM PDT by keri
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To: Technogeeb
Perhaps he is a good Muslim with reservations about some aspect of his religion, sort of like a lot of Christians that don't agree on everything.
229 posted on 10/24/2002 10:21:04 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: oldvike
"You can actually hear the dissapointment in all the media members' voices that the killer is not some white militia member."

Even this a.m., Fox was reporting on their website that the camp in Alabama was a "militia training camp." Also, Rush was saying that the first news that came out last night, the networks were referring to "militia."

Carolyn

230 posted on 10/24/2002 10:26:06 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: keri
But I also think it doesn't matter there is no clear, well-defined and established link.

I agree. I think that part of the goal of grand-scale attacks like 9/11 is to encourage radical Muslims everywhere to rise up on their own, even without any formal attachment to an organized group.

231 posted on 10/24/2002 10:29:35 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: YaYa123
I've said from the beginning that these guys are not as smart as everyone thinks. Turns out that that was the case, and thank God for that.
232 posted on 10/24/2002 10:29:49 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Michael2001
I guess Falwell was right when he called Muhammad a terrorist.

I just heard Rush just say the same thing. He musta been FReepin!

233 posted on 10/24/2002 10:32:21 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: Technogeeb
If he is loyal to America, he cannot be a good Muslim. And if he is a good Muslim, he cannot be loyal to America. Under Islam, the two are mutually exclusive.

And there you have the core of the problem. And it explains why the media is downplaying the fact that the perp is both black and Muslim. It's not a matter of political correctness. It's a matter of avoiding the kind of draconian steps that would place us next to Hitler in the world's eyes. It's about not losing the moral high ground in this war.

Let's parse the problem.

That a substantial percentage of our native blacks who have become Muslims fervently support our enemies and are prepared to take up arms to support those enemies should give anyone pause. What's the solution? Martial law and internment? That risks a race war because our black citizens share the same 2nd Amendment rights that we all possess as Americans. To assume that they will all go to the camps submissively is foolish.

To shut the country down, expel all non-citizen Muslims and intern all Muslims who are American citizens would require the full manpower of our armed forces. Who will then fight Iraq (or Iran or Saudi Arabia)? An internal race war is a gift to Al-Quaeda and would fulfill their prophecy that they can destroy us as a world power. It would end any chance of our fighting a war in the Middle East without causing the entire Muslim world to go to war with us. And it's unlikely that we'd have any allies if we had to resort to such draconian means to keep the peace at home.

So what can the government do? Play down the whole black Muslim concept so nobody gets the idea that these people are warriors for Islam. What worries the people at the top is that an incident like this could provide the basis for a fifth column as others copy the perps' actions. Nobody wants a full scale religious/racial war in America. They're hoping this is an isolated incident and don't want to open that particular Pandora's box.

234 posted on 10/24/2002 10:32:24 AM PDT by Publius
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To: dark_lord
Actually, the Islamofacists relate to regular Islam the way Christian Identity relates to Christianity.

Wrong. Regular Islam is the equivalent of Christian Identity. Difference being Christian Identity has 7 followers and Islam has 1.3 billion.
235 posted on 10/24/2002 10:33:37 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps he is a good Muslim with reservations about some aspect of his religion, sort of like a lot of Christians that don't agree on everything

Islam isn't that kind of religion. Many aspect of Christian doctrine are subject to debate. For example, under Catholicism the Church is the authority of interpretation, and the anabaptist and protestant sects believe the bible itself is the final authority. Thus, the Christian religion is "mutable" in respect to the meaning of much scripture. Different individuals at different times can legitimately derive different meaning, and this is acceptable under the fundamental beliefs of the Christian Church.

This "interpretation" mechanism is simply not legitimately available under Islam. The "worst" verses of the bible can be explained away in context (and ironically, still hold meaning to the faithful), but such is not true of the Quran. Similarly, the Catholic church could choose to reinterpret some verses, but the sects of Islam have not done so (because the Quran is so clear in meaning that there really is no way that they could do so).

A "good muslim" that doesn't believe in Jihad against the infidels is theologically equivalent to a "good Christian" who doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ. They might call themselves Muslim (or Christian), but the fact would be that they ignore a core point of dogma. As such, they are not really a muslim. Of course, these "false muslims" can indeed be loyal, productive citizens of the United States. But those who believe in such a way are just as much a target of Jihad from the "real muslims" as Christians and Jews would be.
236 posted on 10/24/2002 10:49:29 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Jeff Head
" Try and Fry."

That is a good one. The form of punishment meted out to the, ambush assasin, if/or when convicted, may well determine how many other sleeze bags feel willing to pay that price for the privilige of gunning down innocent people. Let the punishment deter the crime, if it doesn't, ratchet up the pain of the next execution until it does deter.
237 posted on 10/24/2002 10:51:42 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: jrlc
And what do you bet that Al Jazeera is now reporting that two Jews were arrested....
238 posted on 10/24/2002 10:52:12 AM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: dennisw
looks like Rush is reading over your shoulder, man. Check out post 233. ;)
239 posted on 10/24/2002 10:55:27 AM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Technogeeb
Sorry, I disagree. I believe that the Koran is open to interpretation. There are at least 6 different Islamic sects that I can think of. All religion is interpretive, just by definition.
240 posted on 10/24/2002 10:55:32 AM PDT by stuartcr
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