"Snipe This" T-shirts!

10/23/01 | md2576

[md2576]

Distasteful or deliberate defiance?

[HairOfTheDog]

You asked for opinions on the tastefulness of a two word message with a picture... What you have gotten is a sample of opinion on that. You get one glance when you wear a shirt with a message. You don't get all this time to explain in paragraphs exactly what your whole meaning and philosophy behind it is. You are gonna get first impressions. Some say its good some say it is bad. Take that for what it is worth.

I feel no need to be "sold" on the t-shirt idea through extended debate on how people deal with stressful situations differently. If you wear the shirt... you are gonna tick some people off, offend some, and make others chuckle. Now you know that.

[HairOfTheDog]

Arguing about a t-shirt to the point of name calling as if it is a real problem to be solved might be your problem. Seriously... This is not worth another word.

[Robert A Cook PE]

"Snipers is for HUNTING!

Nah.

Not a catchy-enough phrase... Too hard to be a sound bite.

How about "Want to go on a SNIPE hunt?

[Diva Betsy Ross]

no ,liberal sums it up. it is not name calling, it is a fact that i suspect. there is a difference. hair added nothing to the topic, she only pointed out my typos. just like your spin and name calling... it is something a liberal does. liberal is as liberal does.

[md2576]

Yet another dumb@ss that needs an explanation because they don't understand freedom of expression.

[md2576]

I feel no need to be "sold" on the t-shirt idea through extended debate on how people deal with stressful situations differently

I'm not trying to sell you. I am standing up for myself after being accused of laughing at the murders. He has apologized, what is your problem?

[Corin Stormhands]

Yet another dumb@ss that needs an explanation because they don't understand freedom of expression.

Yes, you do need an explanation.

We didn't say you couldn't print the t-shirts. In fact that's not what you asked. You asked if they were "defiance or distasteful," and you can't handle the fact that I think they're distasteful.

But, I also think they're defiant. To another friend I referred to them as "distasteful defiance."

You have every right to print and wear them and be as defiant and distasteful as you want to be.

And I have every right to be repulsed.

THERE's your lesson in free speech.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

dear, the name calling by your friend corin started days ago. i have called no names. you got into something between corin and myself. it is about more than t-shirts. you have missed the point. i am too much of a scot's woman to let it go because you have had enough. unlike you and horses....my hobby is politics and i say play on.

[HairOfTheDog]

Excuse me? Freedom I understand... No one has suggested you are not free to do this. I think the question is whether we would think someone who wore it was a jerk. Perhaps it is you that doesn't understand freedom of expression.

[md2576]

Yes, you do need an explanation.

Another misunderstanding on your part.

I was told, I would need to explain in paragraphs the meaning behind the T-shirt. An obvious attempt by a Democrat to dumb down the U.S. so that we are all equal in every aspect. If all can't understand it then you must add small print to avoid sue-happy morons who blame everyone else.

[md2576]

Excuse me? Freedom I understand... No one has suggested you are not free to do this. I think the question is whether we would think someone who wore it was a jerk. Perhaps it is you that doesn't understand freedom of expression.

No, I meant the freedom to express yourself without having to explain, in detail, to morons who might get offended because they are afraid, uneducated and just might not get it!

[HairOfTheDog]

Another misunderstanding on your part. Read what said:

"You get one glance when you wear a shirt with a message. You don't get all this time to explain in paragraphs exactly what your whole meaning and philosophy behind it is. You are gonna get first impressions. Some say its good some say it is bad. Take that for what it is worth."

No one else is going to give a hoot about all this philosophy. Some are going to chuckle, and some are gonna think you are a jerk. None are going to care enough to stop and ask you follow-up questions. Geeze. Enough said.

[Corin Stormhands]

dear, the name calling by your friend corin started days ago.

Go back and read your thread about the candy.

My post to you: I'm in Richmond. I appreciate your sentiment, but I think your suggestion is absolutely the wrong thing to do. I had to tell my son this morning that schools were closed because of the sniper. What do I tell him tomorrow when the schools re-open? While a card would be nice, I see it as only something else to give a kid cause to worry. And, lets face it...would you give your kid candy mailed to them by a stranger? Let the parents figure out Halloween. We'll do what's best for our kids.

Your response: Wow- I am surprised that both VA freepers who have responded here have such negative things to say. I guess there really isn't room for goodwill with you two. Letting kids know that the whole world isn't bad at a time like this is a good thing to do. If my children and I were there right now, I of course wouldn't be worring about sending them to school, I would be worried about post tramatic stress disorder, and how these events would effect my child's future view of the world. Just my two cents....Sending cards and gifts to show support to those involved with stressful circumstances is nothing new. Perhaps to you two it is however. I am sorry for that . I think there must be churches, schools and community offices that would collect and hand out cards / gifts to children whose parents would accept goodwill and thoughtful gestures. To be sure, the whole world is not as cyncial as you two.

THEN I called your idea stupid. Which admittedly was a bit much, but like I said sending cards and candy are not the solution.

Neither are t-shirts. They're expressions of frustration, sure.

But go back and read this thread too. I really could care less if you print the t-shirts and send truckloads of candy. That's your right. If that makes you feel good, then by all means do it.

But at the end of the day t-shirts and candy will still solve nothing.

And I'll still think the t-shirts are distasteful. Clever? Yes. Funny? Perhaps.

But they're still distasteful.

[md2576]

It seems to me like you are either doing one of two things.

1. Presenting the obvious that matters not in a conservative forum.

or

2. Trying to say it should not be done because of someone not understanding.

That is why I attacked it. I thought everyone already knew there were few people who might not understand. I didn't think it was necessary to explain it as fact.

[Corin Stormhands]

Another misunderstanding on your part.

Sorry. I read that as insult to my friend. Who, by the way is no Democrat.

She was just trying to get you to see that people would have different reactions to the t-shirts. I don't understand why that is a problem for you. You asked for an opinion. Did you really thing everyone would jump on the bandwagon and not think these were in bad taste?

Sorry. Print 'em. Sell 'em. Drop 'em from the Goodyear blimp. I don't care.

They'll still be in bad taste.

[MJM59]

I like the idea. While wearing one around the family member of a victim may be in bad taste. How often is that going to happen? Besides, I like the idea of defiance in the face of this low life, cowardly, P.O.S.

The sight of the police talking and negotiating with this a$$h01e ,while probably necessary, makes me want to puke. I hope it brings him out long enough for some underpaid SWAT guy to wax him.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

I think the round about here is getting silly. I was trying to give you advice because I knew corin and like would be around here to nay say. I like your idea. I say in your face to the sniper. I thought it might create more drama with my wording and pacify the bed wetters. I don't think it has to be done because there are plently of people who will get you point regrdless of what the shirt says. I say you make your shirt and sell it to those who want it.

Someone is trying to scare our citizens and infringe on our freedoms. It is your right and your duty to your country to do something. I agree with you... whenever you have liberals posing as freepers on a thread things go haywire. Good luck