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Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Wed., Oct. 23,2002
Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences | October 23, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences

Posted on 10/23/2002 2:39:33 AM PDT by Peach

Let's keep a live commentary thread going again today. The FBI Tip Line #1-888-324-9800.

All seems quiet since yesterday's news the shooter may target children specifically. It was released on various news outlets the shooter's 3-page letter to police was in broken English and threatened extreme violence. Police announced an electronic transfer of $10m as requested by the shooter was not possible but other options for transfer remain open. No one seriously believes police will actually give the shooter $$, but police are trying to keep a dialogue open with the shooter in an effort to capture this monster.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: beltwaysniper; dc; dcsniper; dcsnipers; fbi; investigation; maryland; shootings; sniper; terrorism; virginia
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To: Howlin
My brain hurts too....I'm heading off to bed to listen to Art Bell. At least that might make some sense :-)
3,842 posted on 10/23/2002 10:02:49 PM PDT by berkeleybeej
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To: Slip18
superstitious cricketers consider duck -- another term for a score of zero -- a very bad omen.
3,843 posted on 10/23/2002 10:02:50 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: fields
God draws you by kindness that may appear like the anger of a noose. …The Duck is too content with water to seek the Simurgh…In the fifth book of the Masnavi Rumi included several stories to illustrate why one should cut down the duck of gluttony... The story of how Muhammad converted a glutton who drank the milk of seven goats and then made a mess after being locked in a room shows the humility of the prophet in cleaning up the mess himself.

Which is more cryptic? What moose said or this quote from Islam?

3,844 posted on 10/23/2002 10:03:25 PM PDT by Naspino
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To: All
Won't Moose and the LEAs feel bad and have egg on their faces if it turns out that the messages that they have been relating to the media, that the shooter demanded that they read turn out to be codes to other cells, and now sleepers awake, and begin reigns of terror all over the country? Can you image the fallout for the LEAs?
3,845 posted on 10/23/2002 10:04:14 PM PDT by yukong
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To: Jhensy
this one is interesting, from australia


http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:vvwbwELTvcgC:www.faunarescue.org.au/rescuebirds.html+noose+%2B+duck&hl=xx-hacker&ie=UTF-8
3,846 posted on 10/23/2002 10:04:30 PM PDT by ladysusan
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To: Darlin'
Good night, Darlin'. And thanks for all of your input!
3,847 posted on 10/23/2002 10:05:00 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: Peach
Just listening what Moose had to say tonight one could draw the speculation that the 2 perps being discussed are NOT the Killers but rather 2 bounty hunters that actually caught the real Killer(s) and are holding out for more money. I'm only going by what Moose literally said. I'll be the first to admit it's probably flat out wrong.
3,848 posted on 10/23/2002 10:05:24 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: All
OK, now I'm really going to bed. If lucky, I'll get about 5 hours of sleep.
3,849 posted on 10/23/2002 10:05:33 PM PDT by yukong
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To: John Jamieson
NRCA ADVISES THAT DUCK SHOOTING IS PROHIBITED IN JAMAICA
3,850 posted on 10/23/2002 10:05:41 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: fields
From Islam (1300) http://www.san.beck.org/AB19-IslamCulture1095-1300.html God draws you by kindness that may appear like the anger of a noose. …The Duck is too content with water to seek the Simurgh…In the fifth book of the Masnavi Rumi included several stories to illustrate why one should cut down the duck of gluttony, the cock of concupiscence, the peacock of ambition and ostentation, and the crow of bad desires. The story of how Muhammad converted a glutton who drank the milk of seven goats and then made a mess after being locked in a room shows the humility of the prophet in cleaning up the mess himself. He concluded that the infidels eat with seven bellies but the faithful with one. The peacock catches people by displaying itself. Pursuing the vulgar is like hunting a pig; the fatigue is extensive, and it is unlawful to eat it. Love alone is worth pursuing, but how can God be contained in anyone's trap? Who knows?

Just wanted to save this.
3,851 posted on 10/23/2002 10:05:53 PM PDT by chnsmok
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To: John Jamieson
I wish we had more clues. But then the sniper would have them also.
3,852 posted on 10/23/2002 10:06:30 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: ladysusan
forgot to add the url, d'oh

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:_eg2Lucsn_UC:www.soundclick.com/bands/cire_80534_lyrics.htm+noose+%2B+duck&hl=xx-hacker&ie=UTF-8
3,853 posted on 10/23/2002 10:06:35 PM PDT by ladysusan
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To: All
Another version of the folk lore...The Rabit, the Otter, and Duck Hunting. As told by The Warrior based on James Mooney

another version...The Rabbit Goes Duck Hunting

Another...Rabbit Goes Duck Hunting

Another...The Rabbit Goes Duck Hunting

And this at...http://www.telliquah.com/cherokee.htm The rabbit played a prominent role in the Cherokee myths. It was always a trickster and deceiver, usually malicious and often beaten at his own game, and by those he intended to victimize. Cherokee legends are full of rabbit stories. "The Rabbit goes Duck Hunting," "How the Rabbit Stole the Otter’s Coat," "Why the Possum’s Tail is Bare," "How the Wildcat Caught the Gobbler," (which includes the Rabbit begging for his life by saying, "I’m so small, I would make only a mouthful for you, but if you let me go I’ll show you where you can get a whole drove of Turkeys." (Mooney p. 270) This is the same story that was used in the Uncle Remus story of the Rabbit begging not to be thrown into the briar patch. The Cherokee story of "The Rabbit and the Tar Wolf" is the origin of the Uncle Remus story of the Tar Baby. In the Cherokee story of "The Rabbit Dines the Bear," we have the origin of the love-hate relationship between Brer Rabbit and Brer Bear. Cherokee stories were a treasure house for Native Americans, Negro slaves, and eventually for Joel Chandler Harris who wrote the "Uncle Remus" stories. The Cherokee story, "How the Terrapin Beat the Rabbit," taught a very basic lesson of life. That lesson was repeated by the Cherokee Chief, John Ross, in a letter to his son in l865. Ross wrote that in the long run, it is the slow and steady pull that accomplishes the most in life.

I will post more information if I find it about this Legend/Folklore - Brigette
3,854 posted on 10/23/2002 10:06:36 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Peach
FNC just replayed Moose's press briefing.

I caught something this time that I didn't notice the first time around. Just before Moose started the message portion of his briefing, he paused and actually had an almost pained look on his face. It appeared to me that Moose did not want to release the sniper's "duck" statement. His facial expression conveyed almost severe angst. Could it be that Moose is also concerned about coded messages?

3,855 posted on 10/23/2002 10:06:57 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: yukong
Same here---too much cable news, typing and trying to keep up with this thread! We have some smart Freepers here.
'Nite y'all...prayers.
3,856 posted on 10/23/2002 10:08:22 PM PDT by aeronca
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To: snickeroon
Would this fit the decoy idea? From my post earlier.

Had a thought though. Perhaps they have someone in custody already? What ever happened with the second vehicle they were looking for after the rifle was pointed at the school bus?

Maybe they did get someone, but there is a second person involved? The person Moose is addressing is the second person. The sniper is caught like a duck in a noose. It's important that you hear this... because this means the sniper/partner is out of commision, so the second person may as well turn themself in, or carry on alone, I guess.

I kind of wonder if John Mohammad and the step son ARE the shooters. Mohammad with military background = head shots. The 16 year old step son, the abdominal shots???

Maybe after the media blabbed about saying 'persons of interest' just to get to talk to LE... Moose may have been forced to issue warrants and forget about 'persons of interest' ploy?

Anyway, just theorizing.

3532 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Eastern by ET(end tyranny)
3,858 posted on 10/23/2002 10:08:31 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ladysusan
"7. Some rescue agencies and government departments have a gun that fires a net.The net spreads out over an area as it drops to the ground and traps the bird within."

Interesting.

3,859 posted on 10/23/2002 10:09:32 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: 2111USMC
I noted his expression too. Not only pained, but very nervous.
3,860 posted on 10/23/2002 10:10:18 PM PDT by Sunshine55
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