Fox News Alert. Montgomery County ANOTHER SHOOTING!!!

Fox News | 10/22/02

[areafiftyone]

JUST BREAKING!!! Police confirm another shooting. But are not sure if it is related.

[Axenolith]

All I know, though, is if I owned a white van in the D.C/Md./Va. area, I'd be visiting Earl Schieb ASAP and getting it painted lavender or chartreuse or something.

NOT SNIPER in large blaze orange, like some farmers spraypaint COW on their cows during hunting season...

[WillVoteForFood]

Moose said the communication was unclear, but I don't think he said why it was unclear. Was it the disguising of the voice that distorted the message? Was it a bad connection? Was it a language problem or TRANSLATION problem?

[Oldeconomybuyer]

The victim is in surgery and remains in critical condition, said Dr. Eugene Passamani at a briefing just after 9 a.m.

[cricket]

"If there was more than one shot whos is to say that maybe one of the bus drivers took shot into the air or at the woods to scare off the perp and to let him know he is prepared to fight back."

. . .well, we would know by now, if the bus driver 'fought back'. . .and doubt they are allowed to carry weapons anyway. . .

. . .but still think too much attention is being given to how many shots; in the end, it really is irrelevant even to offering a 'pattern' theory. . .

[jackbill]

All I know, though, is if I owned a white van in the D.C/Md./Va. area, I'd be visiting Earl Schieb ASAP and getting it painted lavender or chartreuse or something.

My son had to drive his white Isuzu box truck into downtown DC this morning, from Anne Arundel county. Wonder how many times he got stopped?

Fortunately, when he has to do this, he tries to get to the job site by 6 AM, in order to beat some of the traffic.

[GB]

Aren't some sources now saying that the guy used a voice altering device when he called, and that's why he couldn't be understood? As far as Moose, I have versions of Barney Fife when I see him in action, and I don't know anything about his resume or background or how he got hired or who he knows, and he seems to be a bit over his head ... but at the same time I feel a bit sorry for him, because it's obvious that he's under strain, and I'm sure he's trying his best.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

3+ hours since shooting. Perp got away again, IMHO.

[twigs]

You're right; I forgot about him. He was the son of a retired MoCo police officer, so I've always placed in a "special" category in my own mind. Not sure he was a random target, but who knows? Anyway, most of the people have been shot while attending to non-business related aspects of life. That struck me, b/c we had a sniper on the loose here several years ago who struck in company parking lots.

[twigs]

"Gate of Heaven."

You're right. Steve Doocey was talking about that this am on FNC.

[Bella]

CNN saying the man shot was the bus driver..

[Alberta's Child]

. . . perhaps the request was not for money but for the release of prisoners or cells that we've captured.

Interesting possibility.

The Germans had a similar situation with a terrorist named Rudy the Red a few decades ago. His compatriots were always hijacking buses, blowing up train stations, etc. in an attempt to get him and his fellow prisoners out of jail. The attacks stopped when Rudy and his comrades all died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds in prison.

[yukong]

I agree. Everyone that has been trained to shoot is trained to shoot for center mass. Why? because it is the biggest target. A head shot is very, very difficult. this guy has made head shots. In all my firearms training, we were (and all law enforcement) trained to shoot center mass. Chest/torso area. In the majority of those cases the victim will die. Head shots are so hard because of size of the target, relatively small compared to chest/torso, and the head moves around more than the chest/torso. I think this guy is a very good shot. He makes one shot, and hits every time. Better than most law enforcement that I know.

Also, I'm going to pull my hair out if I hear any more of the talking heads that say "he is a looser that never did anything in his life and this is his chance to so he is somebody". From the patience, calculation, coldbloodness, precision that this guy has displayed, he is anything but a looser, unaccomplished boob. A looser type, is usually very disorganized. Very incoherent. I just don't believe a looser type could keep this up, and still be unidentified. Usually, those looser/loner goofup types load up with guns and ammo, and go into a post office, school, McDonalds, Luby's etc, and begin blasting until they run out of ammo, or get shot themselves. They don't have the organizational skills and patience to accomplish what this guy has.

[cricket]

"information IS the ultimate weapon"

. . .and the Police, so far have determined that they do not want they public 'armed'. . .

. . .too bad, think these decisions will be a '20/20 hindsight' regret.

[Alberta's Child]

I heard on the radio this morning that the letter was written by someone with very poor English.

That's reassuring. It obviously means that this was an American who graduated from a public high school in the D.C. area.

[floriduh voter]

I turned on my tv right after this shooting happened. May or may not be applicable but, msnbc had a copter flying over the immediate area. THERE IS A RATHER LARGE PLACE OF BUSINESS that has a parking lot full of "white suvs or small vans." Does anyone know what that business is?

I was wondering if the guy maybe worked at that business? He'd have an unending supply of white vehicles.

On the other hand, I think he's NOT USING THE INTERSTATE. He's booking it through the woods where an off road vehicle is watiing. I also noticed there was a construction sight near the shooting. WHERE WERE THE HEAT THERMAL DETECTORS from the air? They could have spotted the guy in the woods from the air by his body heat while it was still dawn. It was dark for about a 1/2 hour.

HE IS NOT USING THE INTERSTATE, LE, he knows that LE will blockade as is their pattern of behavior and he will slip through again. They need to start paying more attention to the wooded areas and THAT'S WHAT THE NATIONAL GUARD IS FOR... Where's the governor on this one?

[OXENinFLA]

I think that it is impossible to take Chief Bullwinkle J. Moose out of the situation cause the sniper may now actually be talking directly to Moose and if he was removed it would inflame the sniper further.

Wait (Smacks self on the forehead) this guy is a psycho madman and just is bent on killing and terror, what was I thinking.

[tomkat]

The attacks stopped when Rudy and his comrades all died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds in prison.

perfect !
fofl ...

[twigs]

You're right about the value of life and children. I wonder, though, if perhaps the perp is primarily playing a game with Chief Moose himself b/c he has emerged as the spokesman for LE. It seems to me the demand for money is probably to frustrate LE and continue to put the perp in the seat of power in this game. He knows that LE will not do that, and by making demand that he knows cannot be met, he renders Moose incapable of doing anything to stop the killings, in a very public way to boot. Moose has also made public his concern for children, thus the threat to shoot children.

[floriduh voter]

Dubya's okay with me. He can spell nuclear any way he wants. The point is we don't want anybody to use them and he's got that right. Fregards, FV

[GB]

All these criminologists/profilers/forensics experts that are crawling all over each other to get on TV and basically are spewing out 150 different versions of gobbledegook ... where did they all come from and what do they do when they're not trying to get air time? I didn't know there were so many of those folks.