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Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2002 [Another Shooting?]
Fox News, CNN, Press Releases | October 22, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Releases

Posted on 10/22/2002 2:09:43 AM PDT by Peach

Let's keep a live commentary thread gonig again today.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; dc; maryland; shooter; sniper; virginia
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To: yukong
Demand for money, if it's true, could be misdirection, like the tarot card.
901 posted on 10/22/2002 9:07:04 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
That was the confusion factor. I said last night. The perp had day 1 planned for maybe weeks. He had his spots marked and ready. He knew, that it would be a day or so before they LEAs could tie them together. No one was expecting a multiple hit operation. The confusion of each left the other opportunities open. I would doubt he will do that again. Not saying he won't but I would be surprised. Too much danger.
902 posted on 10/22/2002 9:07:14 AM PDT by yukong
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To: Wordsmith
Even if ballistics confirms it's the same weapon, different shooters can use the same weapon.
903 posted on 10/22/2002 9:09:09 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: iceskater
A lady I work with said her sister called her last night after having spoken to a Fairfax County policewoman. The policewoman told the sister that the message was found in a trick-or-treat bag, and that as well as the numerous demands (which weren't specified), there were specific threats saying that children will be the next targets. The media is aware of the contents of this letter but have been instructed not to say anything; police are afraid that a media report of the contents of the letter will spur the sniper on and make him act on his threats, but are hoping that informal word can be gotten out.

I cannot verify any of this. My coworker said she asked her sister if this was some urband legend, and the sister said she had spoken directly to a police officer who gave her this information. Take it for whatever it's worth.

904 posted on 10/22/2002 9:09:46 AM PDT by poppyseed
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To: aristeides
True. But the question I would have to ask is... Why the need for misdirection? That would only really be necessary if the LEAs had an idea of who this guy is. I question whether they do. It would appear they don't know who he is. Absent that knowledge, why the need for misdirection?
905 posted on 10/22/2002 9:09:50 AM PDT by yukong
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Atlanta Journal-Constitution story about "Sniper"- type video games under fire from today's edition:
As long as kids have aimed their index fingers and cocked their thumbs, there have been make-believe shooting games.

But this is not your father's cowboys and Indians. Over the past two decades, computers have enhanced electronic shoot-'em-up games with Surround Sound, full color and digital ammunition. Virtual gunning comes with simulated sniper scopes, crosshairs, laser-guided sights and pools of blood for technology as portable as the Game Boy or the Palm.

Wal-Mart removed the computer game "Sniper: Path of Vengeance" from its shelves in the Washington area Friday, in response to the series of sniper attacks there that began Oct. 2. A sniper has killed nine people and wounded two in the area, and officials are investigating links to a Saturday night shooting at an Ashland, Va., restaurant.

"We have removed them from our shelves based on the sensitivity in the area," said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Karen Burke. "I don't think [the game] has anything to do with what is going on or with this kind of behavior. It was just the right thing to do."

Dozens of titles like "Sniper" make up the "first-person shooting" video game category, where the screen view represents a player's eyes. Simulated sniper scopes pervade the first-person shooting market, whether on personal computers or game consoles like the Sony PlayStation2.

"This particular genre has a long and respectable history, going back a good 15 years or so now," said IGN Entertainment, a San Francisco-based company that analyzes the electronic game market.

In 1987, Nintendo computerized the idea with a "light gun," a plastic toy connected to a game console and aimed at a TV screen. The genre took flight with "Duck Hunt," a whimsical game in which birds were the target.

Last year, $6.4 billion worth of computer and video games were sold, according to NPD Group, which tracks retail sales. The first-person shooting segment represented 3.5 percent of video game sales, while other shooting games claimed 5.6 percent of the market. Sports simulations grabbed the largest market share with 22.2 percent.

But the quaint innocence of "Space Invaders" has been replaced by video games that add the macabre element of, say, "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and the realism of CNN's greenish night-scope views of Baghdad during the Persian Gulf War.

In the early 1990s, "Wolfenstein," "Doom" and "Quake" enabled players to obliterate opponents with a cache of testosterone-induced weaponry from the comfort of their homes. In the current arcade game "Silent Scope EX" ("EX" stands for "extreme"), with versions available for home consoles, players peer through a simulated sniper scope mounted on a huge toy rifle. The mission: Take out terrorists who have taken hostages in a downtown high-rise.

"Bring him down with one shot!!" the slogan screams off the top of the game cabinet at Dave & Buster's in Marietta.

Through the scope, players watch terrorists weave among the hostages. In a climactic scene, the main bad guy pulls a woman from the lobby of an office building onto the sidewalk. The "commander" orders you to take him out. When you fire, the bullet glides through the air in slow motion until it explodes the bad guy's head.

The arcade edition is so realistic that Derrick Bartlett, president of the American Sniper Association and director of a Florida company that trains police snipers, theorizes that the D.C. shooter could have learned tactics from such games.

"They could give you a feel for tracking moving targets," Bartlett told The Washington Post. "They could desensitize you to the idea of killing a human being."

But Smyrna businessman David Capilouto, national vice chairman of the American Amusement Machine Association, finds that notion preposterous. Capilouto's multimillion-dollar, third-generation family business, Greater Southern Distributing, supplies Silent Scope and other arcade games to customers throughout the Southeast.

The amusements, he said, are nothing more than diversions.

"Any video game today is a big improvement over games that were manufactured 10 or 12 years ago," Capilouto said. "But I don't think, for instance, that playing a NASCAR game makes you qualified to drive in a NAS¬CAR race."

That hasn't stopped psychologists and others from speculating about a possible connection between video games and school shootings, such as Michael Carneal's rampage that left three classmates dead and five wounded in Paducah, Ky., in 1997.

Carneal said there was no connection between the shooting and the video games he played. But Jack Thompson, a lawyer representing Carneal's victims, suggests that video games helped the youth, who had never fired a gun before his onslaught, hit all eight victims with single shots.

Thompson has been among the most outspoken opponents of first-person shooting games. He's particularly critical of Silent Scope.

Douglas Lowenstein, president of the Interactive Digital Software Association, discounts such a link.

"The notion that using a mouse or controller in a video game can teach people to be a sharpshooter is absurd," Lowenstein said. "Video games available to the public differ from combat simulators used by the military and could never effectively train anyone, physically or psychologically, to kill."

906 posted on 10/22/2002 9:09:55 AM PDT by mhking
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To: valleygal
It's really bad when us news junkies think they are going way overboard, isn't it?

Why are they so clueless to that sentiment?

907 posted on 10/22/2002 9:10:43 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: mhking
Bush White House is running the investigation. Bush White House hates leaks, likes to manage information flow tightly. In this case, I think they're wrong.
908 posted on 10/22/2002 9:11:42 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: valleygal; All
Where do you live in the valley that you'd feel safe to leave doors and windows open? I live out here in way far south Chandler with the cows and don't feel safe doing that. And I am not a big door locker, security type.

On a more related note, I am struggling with this guy or guys asking for money. If it was about the money-why has he waited so long to ask for it? He could have asked for money after shooting #2 or #3 and not had the notoriety he now has. At this point, even if he secured a nice little ransom where could he think he is going to escape to to enjoy it? The guy seems pretty intelligent-he can't think he's going to ride off into the sunset with a bunch of money to live on the beach somewhere.

Another thought, on the terrorists-they do seem to come here with varying amounts of financial support. Some it seems are able to jet around the world, going from country to country with ample amounts of cash. Others it seems, hold jobs and have less financial resources. In fact, I have joked on this board that it would be my luck to join Al Queda and still be stuck as a working stiff.

Just a couple of random thoughts, now I have got to go and plant my winter lawn or my husband is gonna have my....

909 posted on 10/22/2002 9:11:49 AM PDT by riri
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To: aristeides
Demand for money, if it's true, could be misdirection, like the tarot card.

Demand for money could be legit. We've dried up a lot of their sources. Need money for car bombs, more weapons/ammo, more safe houses etc.

But would money end the shootings? Not in my opinion. The shootings would continue and other extortion attempts.

910 posted on 10/22/2002 9:12:24 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Skywalk
I've heard of families here that stockpile up to a years worth of food. I have no where to keep that much, food!!

But I am thinking of taking a gun safety class because I don't know anything about them. Group up with them on my grandparetns farm but that's about it. They wouldn't let us handle them, just go along when squirrel hunting. Still have slides of me and my sisters at 5 and under, skinning squirrels with dad. Doubt I'll be doing THAT again soon, though. I'd rather stockpile the food. :)
911 posted on 10/22/2002 9:12:51 AM PDT by valleygal
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To: poppyseed
The media is aware of the contents of this letter but have been instructed not to say anything;

I heard the same thing from a media spokesperson last night on one of the news talk shows.

912 posted on 10/22/2002 9:13:11 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: poppyseed
Thank you for your post. I think what frightens me the most about your information is the mention of a trick or treat bag. Halloween is coming up and children will be out in droves. I hope this killer is caught way before then.
913 posted on 10/22/2002 9:14:43 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: aristeides
I think I read on Fox news website that several tarot cards have been left. Don't know how they knew or if anyone else has said this.
914 posted on 10/22/2002 9:15:13 AM PDT by valleygal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
ABC radio news reports that the roadblocks did not go up until some 20 minutes after the shooting.

I don't think you can ever realistically expect roadblocks to go up faster than that.

915 posted on 10/22/2002 9:16:08 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: mhking
I agree with that Lowenstein cat. I have played with FPSs, and other simultor games. The commercially available "sniper" games are not going to make a "sniper" out of someone that isn't already a "sniper". Pressing a mouse button is nothing close to pulling a trigger. I have a couple of golf sim games. But, no matter how much I play them, and no matter how Tiger like I am on the golf sim game, I still suck at real golf. This is just another example of the left wanting to blame an object rather than blame a criminal. "it's not his fault, he got addicted to sniper games. We need to sue those video game companies".
916 posted on 10/22/2002 9:16:22 AM PDT by yukong
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To: yukong
I'm not a sniper... but I play one on TV.
917 posted on 10/22/2002 9:19:08 AM PDT by laker_dad
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To: valleygal
There is mention of more than one tarot card in This article from the Richmond Times Dispatch

But a law-enforcement source at the Ashland scene, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he had been told investigators have found more than one tarot card while investigating the serial shootings of at least 11 people in Virginia, Maryland and Washington.

918 posted on 10/22/2002 9:19:35 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Howlin
My sister says she turns on headlines and then as soon as they say "so and so, a former FBI agent" she turns the TV off. The speculation is out of control.

Back after while...I have to go to the dentist.

919 posted on 10/22/2002 9:19:40 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Skywalk
Skywalk, I will pray you won't be fearful, or sleepless...in Seattle. :) Not trying to be too funny, just wanted to get you to smile.
920 posted on 10/22/2002 9:19:46 AM PDT by valleygal
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