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Police release two in custody [Keystone cops bungle audio from sniper call]
Richmond-Times Dispatch ^

Posted on 10/21/2002 4:16:48 PM PDT by 1bigdictator

Edited on 07/20/2004 11:47:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Grampa Dave
Given the rampant political correctness, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they had a deaf officer take the call.
21 posted on 10/21/2002 4:41:14 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: 1bigdictator
I think your title is giving the benefit of the doubt to the Sniper, and belittles the law enforcement officials. Just mho. But what do I know, huh?....
22 posted on 10/21/2002 4:41:20 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Undertow
I'm on it, Andy! Gimme my bullet!
23 posted on 10/21/2002 4:43:12 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: clintonh8r
...so they can sneak back in.

exactly.

we don't stand a chance against the coming onslaught with thinking like that in charge of things ...

24 posted on 10/21/2002 4:43:27 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: 1bigdictator
Okay; someone come out and explain to me their theory thats it is a "white trash, lone trailer park, red neck, what ever," one more time.

This is getting way too complicated for me, and I have been following this kind of stuff for a long time.

I'm not even all that sure its a ME terrorist any more. But is sure the H3!! is someone re-writing the playbook.

25 posted on 10/21/2002 4:44:45 PM PDT by porte des morts
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To: 1bigdictator; blam; per loin; All
The best theory that I have seen posted today of how this whole weird scene could have set up by the sniper was posted by per loin: ============================================================

Per Loin Posted: "Speculation: These two guys have nothing to do with the sniping. They are day laborers, or small time contractors. They run an ad somewhere. Sniper contacts them and tells them he has work for them at that school. They show up at the school, but nobody there. Sniper has given them number to contact him at. That number is the number Moose made reference to. One of the two goes to a phone booth to call that number, while other waits at school, in case anyone shows up. Police move in as soon as number is called. Sniper laughs. 315 posted on 10/21/02 9:32 AM Pacific by per loin ============================================================

If this is true, the sniper played the two illegals and Chief Moose like a cat plays with a mouse, or as one our Freeper Wits noted, like a cat plays with a Moose! Notice that Moose cancelled his second appearance for the day and had the good sense to have professional PR lady talk to the reporters.

Now the 64 million $ question, will the sniper/snipers strike again to night to show that they are still in control of the situation?

26 posted on 10/21/2002 4:45:23 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: MeeknMing
I think they should end the charade and let the feds handle it... I think until they determine it is not related to Arab-backed terror it is w/in the Feds jurisdiction.
27 posted on 10/21/2002 4:45:51 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: umgud
If I lived in this area and had a white van, I'd park it or paint it. It just don't pay to drive white or cream colored vans.

I started a thread yesterday on how innocent civilians are being treated like criminals because they are driving a white van. Many Freepers criticized me for questioning police tactics. I think it is right to question the police tactics being used here. There is a lot of hysteria out there and cops are being pressured to show the public (and media) that they are "doing something."

I wish they would just focus on the job at hand and tell the media to put away the cameras and mikes. That is, conduct no more press conferences and if there is something important to get out to the public, issue a press release. The press conferences have been as useless as White House press conferences. Nothing but a bunch of "I-can't-say-at-this-times" and "We-cannot-comment-on-the-specifics-of-this-investigations." A total waste of time.

Well as I said, I had a thread yesterday about the stupidity of pulling over white vans willy-nilly and in some cases, pulling the occupants out at gunpoint. Some Freepers on yesterday's thread cheered this practice and called me a "cop-basher" for having the audacity to question it. Some even said that they would happily comply to having a "felon stop" performed upon them. (A felon stop is when the cops order you out of the car at gunpoint and have you lie face-first on the ground with your hands up.) I doubt that any of these folks own or drive white vans in the D.C area.

Now when this "white van" was pulled over this morning and for a short time, it seemed that the snipers were caught, I braced for a round of "I-told-you-so's" from the Police State crowd. Actually I wouldn't have minded the abuse if it meant the killers were finally caught. But alas, it turns out to be a couple of harmless jerk-offs who shouldn't even be in this country. Again, a total over-reaction by the police. At least in this case, it had the benefit of getting two illegal aliens out of the country. It's an awfully expensive way to deport illegal aliens however. I'd rather have the cops focus on finding the snipers and let the Immigration Department deal with getting the illegals out of the country.

28 posted on 10/21/2002 4:46:35 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: spectre
"How come the LE thought the snipper was dumb enough to call back on that payphone?"

I also would not want to be the LEO standing at the phone booth waiting for the call to come in. (Next target?)

29 posted on 10/21/2002 4:47:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: swheats
until one of the pundits suggested

That's another thing! I simply could not believe the 6 or so hours of basically constant coverage today, every major news network guilty, of nothing but a steady parade of "experts" and "consultants" giving every imaginable theory, creating every conceivable scenario, having little real idea of what they spoke, since not many clues have been forthcoming, all the while waiting breathlessly for the possibility that someone in uniform might enter the general vicinity of a microphone somewhere. And isn't it possible they are doing more harm than good with all this coverage? Of course the sniper is loving it. Example - "All his victims are adults..." Bang, innocent kid shot down. "He only attacks during the daylight hours..." til the next one. "Still, never on weekends..." I'm sure the man and his wife simply stopping for dinner and gas last Saturday are so grateful.

Ugh. End rant. :) I'm just a tad irritated that after all this today, it was in fact all a big mistake.

30 posted on 10/21/2002 4:48:21 PM PDT by agrace
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To: El Gato
They are no doubt on a bus to Nuevo Laredo as we speak. The Mexican will be back at work by 8 am tomorrow morning. The Guatamalan is due back at work on Wednesday.
31 posted on 10/21/2002 4:48:26 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: agrace
Great. So we go from "police confident they have sniper in custody" as reported earlier today, to "men in custody not sniper but related" as reported later on, to "two illegals in the wrong place at the wrong time." In other words, "we have no idea what we are doing, resume ducking and hiding."

Actually, the police didn't say that they were confident that they had the sniper in custody, at least if you're referring to the FNC coverage this morning. That was what the news reader said, and it appeared to be a conclusion drawn by him. I saw that when he said that. He referred to something that they (at FNC)were monitoring that led him to that conclusion.

The police are getting a bum rap. The media's mistakes are being attributed to the police. Just today I heard some talking head on FNC (I think it was Colmes talking to David Asman) basically saying that because the police said that the sniper doesn't work on weekends, the sniper shot the man at Ponderosa Saturday night. Well, it wasn't the police who went on and on about that. It was Fox News. I can't count the number of times last week one of them would say that the shooter responded to the speculation that he wouldn't go after school children by shooting the 13-year-old boy, and then in the same breath go on to say that the sniper only shoots people on weekends.

The police are keeping details from the press, so the press is filling up the airwaves with endless speculation.

32 posted on 10/21/2002 4:49:17 PM PDT by alnick
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To: 1bigdictator
I have no problem with the FBI handling it. That makes sense, since this is happening in Virginia, D.C., and Maryland. That's their jurisdiction, he's crossed state lines....
33 posted on 10/21/2002 4:49:37 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: SamAdams76
I still believe we should be profiling Arab males at the airport... they are the only race and gender w/ any nexus to international terrorism.
34 posted on 10/21/2002 4:49:58 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
"I think they should end the charade and let the feds handle it... "

I think everyone involved are already taking orders from the feds. The appearance of local control is just a 'front.'

35 posted on 10/21/2002 4:51:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: 1bigdictator
Sounds like someone knows how to manipulate the system. Look for more to happen this week.

-Maigrey-
36 posted on 10/21/2002 4:51:36 PM PDT by Maigrey
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To: 1bigdictator
No way to yet tell if the police are bungling(as you allege) or just being thorough. Not every time that something tugs on your line are you going to reel in what you are fishing for. At least they are out there actively fishing, rather than simply armchair quarterbacking. Its easy to be snide and cynical, much more difficult to actually perform.

Yet it seems that every potbelly with a remote thinks that he is McNabb.
37 posted on 10/21/2002 4:52:27 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: agrace
I should have read farther down. You posted to someone else pretty much exactly what I said to you. Well, I agree with you. :-)
38 posted on 10/21/2002 4:53:44 PM PDT by alnick
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To: alnick
"sniper only shoots people on weekends" should be "only shoots people on weekdays."
39 posted on 10/21/2002 4:54:58 PM PDT by alnick
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To: agrace
That's another thing! I simply could not believe the 6 or so hours of basically constant coverage today, every major news network guilty, of nothing but a steady parade of "experts" and "consultants" giving every imaginable theory, creating every conceivable scenario, having little real idea of what they spoke, since not many clues have been forthcoming, all the while waiting breathlessly for the possibility that someone in uniform might enter the general vicinity of a microphone somewhere.

I posted the following quote on News/Activism at 3:06 PM (CDT) today:

Brian Wilson on FN: We need to be very careful we don't overspeculate.

LOL...way to late, Brian...way to late...
40 posted on 10/21/2002 4:55:15 PM PDT by TomGuy
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