Moose..."Call Back...Message Unclear"

Radio | 10/21/02 | Moose

[woofie]

Moose..."Call Back...Message Unclear"... Im a little unclear myself.

[bluefish]

I don't know why some are so testy here, geez... I only meant to share this about the Chief. Anyway, all are god's children.

I apologize if I came off as testy, it was not my intent. I actually appreciate your posting the resume, because I've been reserving judgement. I have issued no judgement with respect to his handling of the investigation, because I really don't know enough to do so.

However, the resume itself was bothersome. It looked to me like that of a Berekely educated, Clinton worshipping, PC Feel Good Liberal. I prefer a resume that would look more like Rumsfeld's. You are right, we are all God's children. However, I will still be leary of some of His children because some are evil, some are naive, some are ignorant and some are simply misguided. The sniper is God's child too, isn't he?

Appreciate your desire to give Chief Moose a break. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now. I felt the resume commentary was nothing more than a general social side-issue that couldn't refrain from commenting on.

I'm not especially passionate here. My posts are lengthy because I often hold back for a few weeks and then start letting loose. When that happens, my fingers just keep going.

[BurbankKarl]

'Son of Sam' Asks Sniper To Stop


October 21, 2002, 5:48 PM EDT


FALLSBURG, N.Y. (AP) _ In a letter received Monday, "Son of Sam" serial killer David Berkowitz asked the Washington-area sniper to "stop hurting innocent people."

Berkowitz, who terrorized New York City in 1977, wrote Rita Cosby of FOX News to offer his theories of the shooter who has killed nine people and wounded three others in Virginia, Maryland and Washington since Oct. 2.

"I feel that I have been feeling this person's anger and rage toward law enforcement," Berkowitz wrote from Sullivan Correctional Facility, a maximum security prison in Fallsburg, about 80 miles northwest of New York City.

"I felt this person has a tremendous rage against the FBI, or anyone of the various law enforcement organizations that are in this area, and maybe towards the U.S. government in general," he continued.

The three-page letter, dated Oct. 16, represents his first public comments about the Washington killer.

"Hopefully, it will be over soon with the arrest of the person or persons responsible," he said.

In July, Berkowitz, 49, told a state parole board he only "vaguely" remembers murdering six people and wounding seven others in a spate of violence that began July 29, 1976. It wasn't until the fourth attack in January 1977 that police noticed a pattern and dubbed Berkowitz the ".44-caliber killer."

His nickname came from a note he left at the sixth of eight shooting scenes, which read, "I am a monster. I am the Son of Sam."

The sniper has also left messages. Investigators found a tarot card Oct. 7 at a Bowie, Md., middle school, where the sniper wounded a 13-year-old boy. It read, "Dear Policeman, I am God."

The shooter also left a message and phone number Saturday night near a Virginia steakhouse where the latest victim was shot.

Berkowitz, who claimed his neighbor's dog had ordered him to kill, speculated as to the sniper's sanity.

"I am not sure it is one person or two, if this is a tormented and raging psychopath or a terrorist, or even an American terrorist such as Timothy McVeigh was," he wrote.

Cosby, a FOX News senior correspondent, also received a letter from Timothy McVeigh prior to his June 2001 execution.

Berkowitz, denied parole in July after his first appearance before a parole board, is serving six consecutive 25-years-to-life sentences. He will next be eligible for parole in June 2004.

Police arrested the former postal employee in August 1977, after tracking down a parking ticket he received at the last murder scene. He confessed to the murders the next year. Raised Jewish, Berkowitz converted to Christianity in 1987.

He now counsels other inmates with emotional problems and serves as an escort for blind inmates.

[amongolian]

Other reports indicated the French soldier while a French citizen was born in Yugoslavia.

In all of this a name I have not seen come up is Mir Aimal Kasir. For those of you with long memories he is the Pakistani who murdered two CIA employees and shot and wounded several others outside the gates of CIA headquarters during morning rush hour and then made a clean getaway. I believe the year was 1993 or 1994. He was finally tracked down and captured by the FBI four or five years later, tried, convicted, and sentenced to death in a Virginia state court. On October 9 or 10 of this year there was a hearing and his execution date scheduled for Nov. 7, 2002 was moved back a week to Nov 14, 2002. Reason given for moving the date back was that the Governor was not going to be available on Nov 7 in case there was a last minute appeal. Sounded a little screwy given that we have pretty good phone service in the country but whatever.

In any event these sniper attacks began on Oct 2, 2002 which is before the hearing in question. Like the current sniper Kasir was able to make a clean getaway despite a massive dragnet and to even get out of the country. He did not shoot from cover but rayher got out of his vehicle and calmly approached the parked cars of his two victims and shot them. He then sprayed some rounds around if I recall and wounded some other people. Witness descriptions of the getaway car were very inaccurate as it turns out and his escape was apparently well planed and executed.

I am going to go way out on a limb here and predict Mr. Kasir's name is going to come up again before this is all over,

[185JHP]

I believe that the Moose is trying to work his ubiquitous "media appearances" the way Lee Brown worked the media in Atlanta during the child murders. Unfortunately for the Moose it appears he is even stupider than Lee Brown. It is obvious that he was placed in the job he has for other than merit reasons. I doubt that he could pass the civil service exam for entry level LEOs, when exams were required for all applicants and all were hired on scores. I'm not saying he's an evil human being - I'm saying he's a great example for why we shold go back to "hire and promote by merit."

[bluefish]

No flattery taken, and you totally misread my original intent. You've become so defensive on Chief Moose's behalf all of the sudden that you actually suggest critiquing the politics of the chief figure in an important news story is somehow wrong. Imagine that, examining a national figure's politics, on Free Republic of all things? How could I have been so silly? I'm simply suggesting that perhaps people should move beyond their "feelings" here.

I didn't originally post the resume and I haven't commented on Chief Moose until now. I simply made some rather serious observations regarding this guy's likely politics, when the resume was posted. You may think I am "nitpicking," while I would suggest you were simply gushing with a little too much deference to the man's "accomplishments." Some people's "accomplishments" scare me.

[Howlin]

I wasn't defensive at all. I merely made a statement of fact, i.e., that's an impressive resume, which it is.

Perhaps you're offended because I don't have your narrow view of things. Sorry.

[bluefish]

My view may be more narrow than yours, but that is because their are some things I don't accept. Your comment sounds like that of the typical Liberal accusing someone with principles of having a closed mind. LOL. To them, I always respond, "Yes, my mind is closed to your ideas, but only after examining them."

I acknowledged the length of his resume and his list of "accomplishments." Like you, I thought to myself that there is no way I could do that much "stuff." Bill Clinton's resume is "impressive" by the same standards. Have you ever gushed about that? No, because you don't like him. Nor do I (see, we have common ground). You may like Moose, I don't know. I don't know if I like him or not. I do know that I don't like his politics. We can leave it at that, as you obviously are not interested in discussing politics, and I am. So we have no reason to continue typing back and forth to each other.

Have a lovely evening!

[BiffSchneider]

"The soldier is reported to have been identified as the man in a US police sketch of the gunman"

What sketch? Where was this published?

[My Favorite Headache]

Bump 221

[glorygirl]

I think it is difficult for those who have never been to Montgomery County to "see the whole picture."

Montgomery County, MD. is the second-richest county in the U.S.

There are plenty of blacks, thanks to a sort of "affirmative action" law they have, requiring that a certain percentage of every development be set aside for "lower income"housing.

But there are few sidewalks in Montgomery County. It is composed primarily of strip malls, long stretches of highway, offset by fields with those rolled-bundles of hay you see on Christmas cards, and various housing developments with streets names like "Eternity Lake Road."

A "little piece of heaven," you might say.

It's nothing like Atlanta, anyway. And Lee Brown is (at least now) a suit. Chief Moose is not, and it is unclear exactly why he is being used as a "frontman." Perhaps the feds want to make it appear to the sniper that they are supremely confused.

Let's hope that's the case, because if they are not, law enforcement is certainly being made to appear as fools.

It seems to me as though as though Moose was saying today "Call back, we didn't have enough time to trace your call."

And it seems to me Moose is being deliberately taunted, not just here but by the sniper as well.

Whoever is doing this knows just how crazy this will drive the people of Montgomery County, where you aren't even allowed to have a cigarette in a restaurant, unless they have a separate ventilation system for the smoking room.

I think they should bring Rudy in to handle this matter. At least there's a chance he might provide the impression that the police have things under control, whether it's true or not.

[My Favorite Headache]

You sure it is the 2nd richest county in the nation? I thought Collier County was in Florida?

[My Favorite Headache]

In 2001, Oakland County very quietly slid to the No. 4 slot, with a $45,872 average income, right behind No. 3 Middlesex, Mass., at $46,070; No. 2 Santa Clara, Calif., with $55,157; and New York, N.Y., and its whopping $90,901 annual income.

[glorygirl]

Well, that's what I read in a dreaded "Washington Post" article. But it was a couple of years ago. Where does Montgomery County fall on that list?

[My Favorite Headache]

#7 glorygirl

[glorygirl]

"Montgomery County, which had been one of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation for at least two decades, fell to 13th place."

This was the latest I could find, from June of this year. Better link it.

You were right.

[KeyLargo]

MONTGOMERY COUNTY CHIEF EXECUTIVE SHOULD FIRE CHIEF MOOSE IMMEDIATELY! Voters of Montgomery County must remember these incompentent local government officials that is those residents that survive the sniper!

[blackdog]

Hey Chief Moose, Kaptain Kangaroo wants to know if this morning's message was garbled or inaubible?

I'm sorry, but this guy Moose needs stuffing in his brains in order to raise his IQ.

[Kerberos]

"why haven't we kept up to date on our vaccines"

I'm somewhat willing to give the government a pass on smallpox vaccines. To a certain degree, we have been operating under the assumption that we have eradicated smallpox. I believe the program actually ended in 1972, as smallpox no longer posed a threat at that time.

What I am not willing to give the government a pass on is that we should have been thinking about the possibility of a smallpox attack at least 5 years ago at the minimum.

But you want to hear something really chilling? My wife was telling me the other day that she heard some doctor on T.V saying that any smallpox vaccine that we develop at this time is probable useless as if smallpox is employed as a biological weapon the strain has probably been altered to make any vaccine useless.

[robertpaulsen]

What are you doing -- following me around the board harassing me?

First, my response was to Chad Fairbanks, not you. Second, we were poking fun at people who attempt to sound important by using words and phrases incorrectly. Chad Fairbanks understands this, as indicated by his response to me in post #130 -- why can't you?

Lastly, if you were connected to the real world, you would recognize this phrase from the Waco hearings:

"... Congressman, I will not engage in recrimination. I will look to the future to try to learn everything I can from this situation to avoid tragedies such as this in the future.

Mr. Conyers. Are you concluded?

Ms. Reno. I am not concluded if you have further questions of me, sir."

[browardchad]

"The Pearl is in the Liver?"

LOL!