Posted on 10/21/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Truant Mom
Sounds like a damn good plan to me!
Yeah, wasn't Yates a Valedictorian in public school and her husband was some sort of honor student? Guess they learned how to raise children in public school. They claimed to be homeschooling but most of their children weren't even considered public school age yet.
I wonder if the Yates got A's in their Life Skills and Values Clarification classes. Lord knows, they flunked Planned Parenthood. I guess they were absent the day the teachers gave instructions on safe sex and everyone put condoms on cucumbers & bananas.
She killed the ones old enough to be in school, too.
P.S. Some states want you to "register" as homeschoolers. Anyone who does that is an idiot......and it has nothing whatsoever with a regimen/curriculum, etc. Have yet to see a state that has such.
It appears the state of Vermont is going through a whole lot of trouble. The article is not clear why the fingerprinting is such an issue for this lady. Isn't fingerprinting and photographing SOP in an arrest? I wasn't aware someone had a choice. The fact that there are people coming to her aid is good, but then why is she so paranoid about her kids running around in the woods? The cops weren't. She comes across as way overprotective of her kids and maybe to the point of being harmful.
Overall there's a lot missing in this article. I find it hard to be sympathetic toward Ms. O'Dell. Because of the lack of information about the motivation of the state, I'm a bit concerned about the welfare of these kids. This article says she is giving the kids a good Christian upbringing, but are the kids happy with this or tolerating it, or have no where else to go? There are claims that the kids have behavioral problems. Why would they say that? Her claim that the kids have no behavioral problems when they are with her is not worth a lot as I would expect any protective parent to say the same thing. Are the "behavior problems" a result of not having healthy interaction with other kids because the mother protects the kids from the outside world and allows little if any interaction?
Too many unanswered questions here.
You must prove criminal neglect in a court of law, trying the accused by a jury of his/her peers. If criminal neglect occurs it must be corrected by the family or the neglected children will be permanently removed and placed in appropriate foster care.
As for asking a child if they think their parents are "losers" (a very subjective term) who are going to make the child grow up to be a "loser", I submit that until the age of majority a child can make no such determination unless they become legally emancipated.
My, my - aren't you judgemental!? Everyone except for you seems to be loser, white trailer park trash who barely hold the privilege of remaining with their own children. And if you had your way you would have the state and its institutions raise the children instead but for such annoying obstacles like the "constitution" and "inalienable rights".
It is rare to meet such a devotee of the liberal-adored mindset of parens patriae on a conservative forum such as Free Republic. It must be so satisfying for you to vote for and support people who will, as agents of the state, carry out your elitist wishes and compel parents and families to conform to your elitist views or risk having the jackboots storm in and tear the children from the parents. How comfortable it is to have others do your dirty work - actions which you would not yourself engage in because you know you don't yourself have the power.
But I've seen firsthand what the CPS agencies can do to a family on the flimsiest of anonymous reports. I've seen the raw power they will employ, the crying children being ripped away from their innocent parents, the heartache of years of knowing the children are living involuntarily with strangers despite all of the legal efforts of the parents, and the eventual return of irrepairably damaged children, and the inability of the terrorized family to ever be normal again.
These are not some remote events that I've read about somewhere. I've seen it more than once and one time with a relative. I've been involved with the legal defense, read the motions, read the court reports, testimony and transcripts. I've been on conference calls or listened to the recorded phone calls and interactions with the CPS agents. I've talked at length with the distraught parents and know firsthand the damaging effects this episode has had on the family.
I assure you, if it happened to you or a close family member you would have an entirely different perspective on this issue.
So you admit that slouching toward loserdom is OK with you homeschoolies, right?
Some days, I'm not even sure why I'm here. It is like talking to the wall most of the time, with people who want to marginalize themselves, and who love losing elections.
Oh well, I'll keep sending in my monthly check and help keep the joint running. Of course, that should make you happy, since that is the only reason you want us center right Republicans around - to keep the playgrounds open so y'all can wander in, gripe, crap in the corner, and stomp out while complaining that no one let you play.
Screw all of you "center right Republicans." You're all just a bunch of RINO libs anyway.
You're a big part of the problem with the erosion of rights and the never-ending expansion of the leviathan state. You don't mind that government has too much power and abuses rights as long as it is using that power to enact what you want. How dare anyone ever question the legitimacy of that power in the first place.
Damn - you're right. How could I be so stupid? Maybe I should take my connections, skills and $$$ over to the Dems, rather than wasting my time voting GOP, working for GOP candidates, contributing to GOP causes, and being reliably GOP in philosophy. I'm not a real Republican! Wow - thanks for the epiphany!
I'm not marginalized, and I'm not a wall...talk to people without the hubris turned up so high, and they might listen to some of your ideas. But don't be surprised if you are challenged here when it comes to academic freedom for ourselves and our children...we know the failures of the public school and the social welfare systems too well.
Oh well, I'll keep sending in my monthly check and help keep the joint running. Of course, that should make you happy...
Actually it does. Free Republic is a national treasure. Kudoes for your wise decision to support this enterprise...you're doing a service to your country.
...since that is the only reason you want us center right Republicans around - to keep the playgrounds open so y'all can wander in, gripe, crap in the corner, and stomp out while complaining that no one let you play.
I have no problem finding a place to play---the fields are white unto harvest, but the laborers are few. I don't wander, I don't gripe---I fight for what I believe in...I certainly don't cr*p in the corner. (Is that high-falutin' talk what they teach you to get a doctorate? ;-)...and I'm certainly not complaining about no one letting me play.
Oh, and I won't 'stomp out'...as Thomas Jefferson said so eloquently, "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance".
I for one am glad that you don't....and I have no doubt that you and I could find tons of issues we agree on....probably a majority of issues.
Fine, go. Please. I'd rather have those with "connections, skills, and $$$" supporting true conservatives instead of elitist frauds like you supporting RINOs who are destroying the party and aiding and abetting the Democrats and other socialists in destroying our nation.
As for me, I'd rather fight for the cause of freedom and the preservation of the principles enshrined in our Constitution and lose than to fight for the cause of tyranny, trampling the Constitution in pursuit of more power and win. You see, some of us Christians believe that we will be judged in the life after this one - not upon how many material possessions we obtained, or how big of a house we lived in, or how large our salary was, or how many politicians we have "connections" with because we helped them obtain more power. But instead we will be judged upon our faith and how we applied it. We will be judged upon how we accepted the gifts God gave us and how we shared those gifts with others. God granted us certain inalienable rights - I'm not about to throw mine away, take them away from another, nor stand idly by while those rights are denied to my brothers and sisters.
Call me a kook - throw me to the lions. I don't care. I'd rather be right and lose (if I must) than to be wrong and win.
Thus, those critical work skills, so crucial to career success, aren't as likely to be imparted at home, despite hat homeschool advocates say.
I've been reading through this thread and had to add my two cents.
My experience with homeschoolers is from knowing my wife and her family and friends. My wife was homeschooled through grade 12. She is 24 years old, has a music degree, a nursing certification, a dietary management certification, and a therapeutic recreation certification, and she is a Department Head at a large senior acute care facility. She plans on running the place within 2 years. The only reason why this may not happen is that when we have children she plans on staying home... and eventually homeschool them.
The difference between her and most other people in her field (or any field) is she actually cares about her job, not just about the paycheck and the title. And, equally important, she and her siblings' greatest assests are that they can think outside the box. Public schooling does not teach you this valuable skill. In my experience, when all other things are equal, the homeschooler is more qualified for the job.
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