[ClearCase_guy]

Obviously you have forgotten that the watchword in American law enforcement is supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty". Unless and until some probable cause exists, there is absolutely no justification for this cr*p (and no--merely driving a white van is NOT sufficient probable cause).

You are confused about Innocent until proven guilty. The police routinely lock up criminals until their trial is over -- we don't know if they are innocent or guilty yet, but we lock them up. And it's OK.

From your post, it would seem that you want the police to stop possible criminals only after the possible criminals has already stood for trial.

[GirlShortstop]

The police routinely lock up criminals until their trial is over -- we don't know if they are innocent or guilty yet, but we lock them up. And it's OK.   That is not really a comprehensive synopsis of the process:  Grand Jury; Warrant for Arrest. Grounds for arrest are established and then presented to a COURT.

[Wonder Warthog]

From your post, it would seem that you want the police to stop possible criminals only after the possible criminals has already stood for trial."

No, I mean that police should approach such situations as though the civilians were innocent UNTIL some indication that such is not the case. The idea of "going in with guns drawn" on a traffic stop is bullbleep, unless there is definite probable cause, and that such procedures are now the norm, are a direct indication of the continuing militarization of police procedures.

[southern rock]

From your post, it would seem that you want the police to stop possible criminals only after the possible criminals has already stood for trial.

The cops require EVIDENCE to stop and detain.

[stands2reason]

There's a difference between "proven guilty" and "probable cause for a felony stop." And from what I've heard, driving a white van is not "probable cause" for anything, since they have no true evidence that the perp(s) in question was even in one.

[DAnconia55]

The police routinely lock up criminals until their trial is over -- we don't know if they are innocent or guilty yet, but we lock them up. And it's OK.

LOL! DoubleSpeak is good! DoublePlusGood!

Amazing..... we're so screwed. Our children will be slaves forever, because 'adults' don't understand liberty, or apparently even the meaning of words.