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Religious Right and swing voters may stay home (this won't help at all)
Business Week Online ^ | Richard Dunham

Posted on 10/17/2002 3:06:35 PM PDT by jmstein7

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:16:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

One of the most unpredictable and confusing midterm election seasons in recent history is coming down to the wire. Within the past week, four respected national polls -- Gallup, Ipsos-Reid, Fox/Opinion Dynamics, and Pew Research Center -- all indicated that the American people were nearly evenly divided in their congressional voting preference.


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To: jmstein7
Well...both sides are liberals in most cases. Both the dems and the republican candidates. They both believe pretty much the same thing these days. So how does one force the Republican party to provide better candidates? Surely not by voting for there bad choices of candidates. How do you send a message that they must provide moral candidates who will uphold the law? Not by voting for what they are providing. It just keeps getting worse for every election. This time I can't see the republicans are any better than the dems in most cases. So unless there is someone who is so bad that you want to get them out...or someone so good that you want to get them in....Then what is the point? When you have bad choices it make little difference who gets in. America is going to loose either way. And once anyone gets in there they either vote with the majority or else they will be deep sixed. The Majority has the money. They decide it all for us. They only give us the illusion that we have a choice. What we need is a clean start. Impeach the whole bunch of democrats and Republicans. Make it illegal for any political organization to support candidates. Set a cap on advertising. And then we can vote on the best guy...Not the guy with the most money. We would be far better off selecting our candidates by lottery from a list of all US citizens then by trying to vote for the lesser of two evils. As it is now all senators and congressman are not equal to one another. A few set the agenda and the others go along or else. Even Rush found that out when he wanted to interview one of these critters who said this was the way it was. Of course he could not interview this person because the word came down that you don't talk to Rush or else. Between the favors owed and the blackmail that is held over a representative's for the dark deeds they have committed...it is impossible for them to vote there conscience. And the way it is today those representatives have been carefully chosen as to not have a conscience. Most only have a desire the follow the agenda of the leaders. So the only way to get any sense back in our capital is to clean the whole bunch out and start over.
81 posted on 10/17/2002 8:36:33 PM PDT by Revel
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To: jmstein7
That changed in a big way in the 2000 Presidential race, when an unexpected surge in minority turnout gave a popular-vote victory to Al Gore and, ultimately, Democratic control of the Senate

Yes, it was most unexpected to discover how many illegal aliens in California (and elsewhere) actually voted.

82 posted on 10/17/2002 8:45:28 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Rodney King
When was the last time you saw an article about how the liberal left might stay home?

Exactly. Never.
Don't listen to anyone on TV. Don't read anything in the liberal press. Just participate in this forum, and then go and VOTE THE WAY YOU KNOW IS CORRECT!

83 posted on 10/17/2002 8:48:16 PM PDT by jonathonandjennifer
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To: jmstein7
Election 2002: Turnout vs. Tune Out Each party's regulars will hit the polls, but the Religious Right and swing voters may stay home. That makes this one tough to call ...

Ummm the "religious right" ARE the party regulars...

This is just one of many on the way. Now begins the effort to suppress the conservative vote. October surprise articles and smears...allegations...

This stuff always makes me think of the press-push in 1994 that warned us NOT to advance the contract with America...they wanted sooooo bad to save us from our impending doom if we foolishly kept it up.

hilarious.

84 posted on 10/17/2002 8:53:01 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: jmstein7
"IN THE BALANCE. So what's going to tip the scales?

Vote fraud is going to be the determining factor, how many ballot boxes the Demoncrats can stuff. To override the amount of fraud the Demoncrats engage in takes a larger than normal turn out of Republicans, and Conservative Independents, and there is the rub.

85 posted on 10/17/2002 9:12:53 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
I'm about as far to the religious right as you can get and I'm ITCHING to get out and vote!

Go get 'em!

IF the premise of this article were true -- and I doubt it -- religious right organizations ought to do more to mobilize their base. But I think this article is more leftist BS, like bogus "polling data" designed to remove enthusiasm from conservative voters. REMEMBER WESTERN FLORIDA 2000!

86 posted on 10/17/2002 9:21:56 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Rodney King
When was the last time you saw an article about how the liberal left might stay home?

If the mass media had it's way, the headlines for the next three weeks woud be: "Recent Polls Predict Landslide Dimo Turnout -- Republicans Need Not Bother to Vote"

87 posted on 10/17/2002 9:25:21 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: RightWhale
Seems like large numbers of these groups stayed home in the General Election 2 years ago. If so, why are they turning apathetic?

I posted my reasons a while back, and was duly flamed and called a crybaby. That's okay. Here they are. I started voting Republican in the seventies. I voted Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush. I spent hours trying to convince religious conservatives to vote straight Republican. We delivered for the Republicans.

I have been precinct chairman and gone to state conventions. The Republican heirarchy has made it plain that they are embarassed to be associated with the Religious Right or any conservatives. At the McLennan County convention this year, the first speaker got up and stated that if we were idealistic purists that demanded that every candidate go our way, that we should find another party. He told us that the Republicans were a big tent party, and that they would embrace all perspectives. I don't insist that every candidate vote the way I want on every issue, but I am tired of working for a party that has been telling me to go away since 1994. Wow, Rick Perry and John Cornyn. How excited can I get?

I resigned from the party, and have ceased working for Republican candidates. Previously I had helped set up fund raisers, set up yard signs, etc. I sent an email to the state party stating my disappointment, and have received no response. I do still get fund raising letters from the Republicans.

Ever since we delivered in 94, the Republicans have been doing everything they can to give control back to the Rats. It does worry me, because elections are incredibly fraudulent now, and the next time the Dems get in power, they'll ensure that they never lose it again. However, ever since Reagan, the Republicans have been driving in the wrong direction at 30 miles per hour. If the Rats kick it up to sixty, what's the difference?

88 posted on 10/17/2002 9:51:29 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
"I'm about as far to the religious right as you can get and I'm ITCHING to get out and vote!"

Ditto. Pat Robertson has been pushing politics all year, but is increasing the programming urging Christians to vote. I think this article is just plain hogwash.

89 posted on 10/17/2002 10:24:42 PM PDT by brat
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
ME, Too!!I'm about as far to the religious right as you can get and I'm ITCHING to get out and vote!
90 posted on 10/17/2002 11:10:14 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: maranatha
Bearing repeating and a bump:

Exactly. I can't believe the "religious right" aren't more anxious than ever to support the president and get those worthless democrats out.
91 posted on 10/17/2002 11:11:25 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: jmstein7
This is wishful thinking. Believe me, the Christians
will turn out in BIG numbers! The alternative to the GOP is far left, too often anti-Christian Democrats.
92 posted on 10/18/2002 4:21:44 AM PDT by Winfield
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To: sayfer bullets
Ummm the "religious right" ARE the party regulars

Do you mean that their vote is to be taken for granted?

93 posted on 10/18/2002 4:44:19 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: jmstein7
Headlines should read"Religious Right" neutralized by "Dead Voters"! Democrat Liberal Politics 101.
94 posted on 10/18/2002 4:48:47 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
This story is just a cover for the eventual attempt at vote fraud. In heavy senior Broward, (with 18 electronic vote machines missing), this will be refered back as the reason for the "suprising" low republican turnout.

It is like predicting a bank will close because it has no money and then robbing the bank and then blaming the bank customers for not going to the bank.
95 posted on 10/18/2002 5:21:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Richard Kimball
I have been precinct chairman and gone to state conventions. The Republican heirarchy has made it plain that they are embarassed to be associated with the Religious Right or any conservatives. At the McLennan County convention this year, the first speaker got up and stated that if we were idealistic purists that demanded that every candidate go our way, that we should find another party. He told us that the Republicans were a big tent party, and that they would embrace all perspectives.

This is how OVERWHELMING majority of Republican Senators voted for anti-life Shumer amendement:

VOTING YEA:

Republicans:

(35 or 67%) Abraham Ashcroft Bennett Bond Campbell Chafee Cochran Collins Coverdell Craig Crapo Domenici Frist Gorton Grassley Gregg Hagel Hatch Hutchison Inhofe Jeffords Lott Mack McConnell Murkowski Roth Santorum Shelby Smith, Gordon Snowe Specter Stevens Thomas Thurmond Warner

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/757419/posts#41

Some quotes about this odious amendment:

The Schumer amendment [patent’s note, to the bill described above] would prohibit the discharging of settlement agreements or of judgments, orders, consent orders, or decrees entered in Federal or State courts, if those debts were related to certain civil suits brought by abortion clinics against opponents of abortion. [...]

Under this amendment, though, a brand-new, higher standard would be created that would only apply to abortionists. As a matter of public policy, we do not think that it is advisable to say that abortionists should be given a higher standard of protection than all other Americans. They especially should not be given that standard with vague, sweeping language that seems to be more intent on suppressing legitimate free speech rights than with discouraging violence. The amendment would not just forbid erasing civil penalties for injuries against abortionists or their clinics. It would also forbid the erasure of penalties for a litany of other offenses, none of which it bothers to define. For instance, the Schumer amendment would deny bankruptcy protection to anyone assessed a civil fine for "allegedly" breaking a "common law" in an attempt "to deter" someone from obtaining an abortion. Would advising someone not to have an abortion be the same as trying to deter an abortion under a judge's interpretation of an unwritten common law? The Schumer amendment ignores that question, perhaps deliberately.

Final vote might be "wisely" postponed until after the elections.

A House-Senate compromise was reached in July, but House GOP leaders have been reluctant to bring it to a vote because of an abortion-related provision opposed by many conservative activists. The provision is designed to prevent people who attack or block access to abortion clinics from avoiding court-ordered fines by declaring bankruptcy.

The bill may pass during a lame-duck session, but Republican leadership aides say it will not be brought up before the elections.
( http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/134553403_cong12.html

96 posted on 10/18/2002 5:46:31 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Richard Kimball
At the McLennan County convention this year, the first speaker got up and stated that if we were idealistic purists that demanded that every candidate go our way, that we should find another party. He told us that the Republicans were a big tent party, and that they would embrace all perspectives.

Except those religious wackos and libertarian nuts, evidently.

97 posted on 10/18/2002 5:57:31 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
He told us that the Republicans were a big tent party, and that they would embrace all perspectives.

Big tent - Weld/Cellucci party as opposed to straight-shooter Democrat Silber

98 posted on 10/18/2002 6:07:56 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Mo1
every vote counts

In California, some votes count several times.

99 posted on 10/18/2002 7:42:20 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Miss Marple
Seems like I may not be the only one not voting. You going to ignore all of them too because they don't "participate"?
Will you say that they, too, have no right to gripe or complain?
You "getting the picture" yet?
100 posted on 10/18/2002 8:21:29 AM PDT by philman_36
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