DC SNIPERS MOST PROBABLY AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS [Shhhh, its a secret- the liberal press doesn't know]

EtherZone ^ | 10/16/02 | Carol Devine-Molin

[SFBiker80814]

RE: This is no nutcase - he's smart, clever and plans his getaways superbly

They are doing their homework.

[SFBiker80814]

RE: I would be very surprised if this was terror related


Read the papers watch the news.....we will see more of this.....and it will be terrorist, and they are nutcase extremist....what you said is true.....but the indicators in the intelligence sense is that this is part of a bigger push.

[SFBiker80814]

Oh that's right if we had dealt with the terrorist appropriately in the past we wouldn't have them inside our borders.....YN you've got tunnel vision you need to keep your mind open....and while the NYC attacks were something I get a feeling that baby we ain't seen nuthin yet.

[jpsb]

Reminding me more more of the antrax letters, must be a highly placed scientist (white guy).

Plane blows up, must be pilot (white guy) error or design (white guy) error

Civilans shot down in the street, must be a white guy.

What planet do this media idots come from and can we send then back?

[SFBiker80814]

.....what else is there to consider?


A little training, a little planning, and a lot of audacity, but that close up shot on the FBI analyst makes me think that some folks are right and that it was a deliberate hit. Give me a gasoline, propane, or oil truck and 1/2 lb of C4 or just a hand grenade and rubber band at a gas station it don't take much thought.....just follow the rules.

[SFBiker80814]

RE: The odds of two such nuts is very very remote. Three would be vanishingly small -as in it is unlikely three such nuts ever met in the entire global human population, with two orders of magnitude to spare.


Now, now, these guys are nut cases, you just forgot that they probably met as kids in some middle east country.

[SFBiker80814]

The bullpup is a reach just used it as an example, but man are they accurate...The brits had to re-write their marksmanship tables after the BP was introduced....everyone became an expert by the old standard.

[aruanan]

Would "AK-74" be more to your liking?

I have no problem with the firearm; the problem is the writer's poor writing.

[Kenton]

If you look like a moslem, but aren't, you can't help that. Wear your love for, and loyalty to, America like a badge. Stand toe to toe with those who are justifiably wary of your physical resemblance to our blood enemies and make your fellow Americans understand where your heart is.

If you look like a moslem, and you ARE a moslem, you need to repudiate that filth and convert to an authentic religion. (or to no religion at all if that is your choice)

And if you don't want to do that, you need to get the Hell out of this country.

Congratulations for saying all the things I was thinking in such an succinct matter!

[1bigdictator]

Post # 94... very good point.

[swarthyguy]

>>probably met as kids in some middle east country.

Or in the USA, in school or a mosque like the Buffalo 6.

[EBUCK]

"but that close up shot on the FBI analyst makes me think that some folks are right and that it was a deliberate hit."

I'm of the opinion that the sniper(s) are choosing positions that offer more than one FOF and then wait for targets of opportunity to present themselves. I think it's coincidence that someone from the FBI got hit. I imagine that he was well dressed, drove a nicer vehicle and presented a better target so the shot was taken. If there were a plan involved (other than creating havoc of course) I think we'd see more patterns. Perhaps there are more patterns just not that we, with our limited intel, can discern.

But like everyone else I'm just hypothesising.

As far as the Brit-BP goes.... I've not had the opportunity to fire one but from what I've read it is a real "reach out and touch someone" guys wet dream.

[BiffSchneider]

Nuts tend to gravitate together and seek one another out. Or, they might be related. The guy who shot hunters in OH became their top suspect because one of his hunting buddies became suspicious and reported him. They went out together and shot wild dogs, then the suspect started shooting pet dogs and discussed shooting people. If the suspect's friend had been of a like mind he would most likely have become his accomplice. If this is two people who have no ME connection, it probably started with a simple proposition like "have you ever wondered if we could shoot a bunch of people sniper-style?" and snowballed into actually doing it.

However, I also see the possibility that this is ME related. The fact that they (assuming there's more than one) work well together and one or the other hasn't turned himself in or confessed to someone else what they've been doing might mean that their ties are ideological rather than by blood or craziness.

A problem with the ME theory is this: this shooter apparently doesn't want to get caught or killed. AQ and Hamas don't mind getting killed. So, maybe this is, say, an Iraqi agent. But, with each shooting, he increases the chance that he's going to get caught. So, there seems to be a bit of a problem reconciling how the shooter sees how this is all going to end up.

Another big problem is the first shot. Apparently, that went through the window of the craft store a "few feet above eye level" according to the washington post. How do you reconcile that shot with the accurate shots afterwards?

On another point, I'm disappointed in the witnesses to these shootings. In L.A., we've had private citizens who have tried to ram their cars into the suspect's car in police chases. And, there was a recent hit-and-run in South Central where a mother and her kids were run down. The witnesses got a good look at the driver and his car, and the cops were able to catch him within a few minutes.

The people in VA and MD don't appear to be as good at the witnessing thing. And, if the timeline I read earlier is correct, it took 4 minutes between the latest shot and the call to 911.

[SFBiker80814]

The FBI type was female analyst and the guy shot from thiry feet away in the parking lot breaking with his normal MO. That's what leads me to believe that it may have been deliberate....high value target, take more risk to take it out.

[1bigdictator]

Bo one has Bill... but the media (CNN, ABC, CBS ect...) exclusively focus on the single, white, male lunatic theory, while disregarding the possibility that Islamic terrorists may be doing, however unorthodox, exactly what they have been boasting of.

[EBUCK]

"Another big problem is the first shot. Apparently, that went through the window of the craft store a "few feet above eye level" according to the washington post. How do you reconcile that shot with the accurate shots afterwards?"

I noticed that discrepency as well. Perhaps a bit of rookie "buck-feever" took hold of him on his virgin mission.

EBUCK

[EBUCK]

Sorry, gotta proof read (guy=girl). Although I thought that the shot was 40 yards (at least that is what I remember reading).
Like I said though, targets of opportunity. For them to have recognized our FBI gal while "just passing thru" seems to me to be unlikely. For them to be keeping tabs on certain people in order to get at them at opportune moments would require a huge operation and a very high level of risk (a lot of our intel folks are trained to recognize such activity).

All in all I'm sticking with the "an opportunity presented itself" and they took it. What their criteria are for valuable targets I haven't the foggiest. For all we know he (they) are just trying to keep a random order to their actions. Further thwarting LEO attempts...

EBUCK

[eno_]

So, maybe this is, say, an Iraqi agent. But, with each shooting, he increases the chance that he's going to get caught. So, there seems to be a bit of a problem reconciling how the shooter sees how this is all going to end up.

Actually, the continuing audacity of the shooter(s) makes it look all the more like a mission, rather than an obsession. They are under orders to keep shooting within the target area until killed, or until they receive other orders. That's what they have done, and probably will continue to do. If AQ has been fragmented, those other orders may never come, and this mission may have been in sealed orders for a long time.

And, as you pointed out, lack of cultural connection to the U.S. makes it less likely they will be turned in.

And, finally, Chief Moose kept hoping this would end up like most spree or serial killing - with the killer turning himself in, being turned in, or making a large blunder. Hasn't happened. Probably won't happen.

[jiggyboy]

Quite so. In an area with, let's say, a million targets, and a thousand FBI/government employees relevant to the case, the chances that he doesn't hit one are 999/1000 each time. Now that he's gotten ten targets, it drops to roughly 990/1000 that *none* of the hits were intelligence employees. That's a hundred to one, not millions to one.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

...why would sleeper cells wish to conceal their handiwork?

Mostly because is creates confusion and is a wedge issue that divides the American public politically. Once it is known that al-Qaida is the culprit, we unite and destroy them as the enemy. Unitl then we squable over gun rights and the politics of a crazed American gunman on the loose. Now, apply the same logic to OKC bombing and anthrax attacks.

In other words, keep the real facts distorted and ambiguous so that politicians continue to appear and feel relevant; knowing that they have all the answers; while they subvert the Constitution, sprint towards socialism,(because only the Gov can protect you), disarm us, de-educate and desensitize our children, and reconstitute our nation from a freedom-loving nation of American people to a blinded, diverse, tolerant third world cesspool, eager to rush into the peace and utopia of the NWO.

Makes sense to me.