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Posted on 10/15/2002 6:37:29 PM PDT by M. Peach
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To: M. Peach
I was a fiscal conservative since I could crawl. Even when I was broke I didn't look for handouts or blame anybody else. When it came to conservative issues that were based on morality, like abortion and drugs, I couldn't have cared less. I figure since I was a guy and couldn't get pregnant it was none of my business and if someone wanted to smock crack it was none of my business.
Then I met a wonderful women, fell in love, got married, and she became pregnant. I was relatively old to have a firstborn (36). The first ultrasound of my son was taken when he was just a smidgen of a guy (maybe 8 weeks old-like I said I'm a guy so don't hold me to exact dates). I was forever changed from that point on. He was so small and helpless and every bit human. My initial feelings of elation turned to horror at all the abortions that are being performed and shame at not having realized this before.
I may not go as far as others on this forum who believe life starts at conception for religious reasons. My view is simply based on when the little angels become recognizable. I don't know when that is, maybe 4 weeks. From what I understand a girl would know if she's pregnant within 4 weeks. If she decides to have an abortion maybe she should have the right to do so while it's still just a bunch of cells. Anything beyond that is murder.
Partial birth abortion is ten times as horrific as these sniper shootings and the doctors who perform them should be eviscerated IMHO.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:04:07 PM PDT
by
MattinNJ
To: DWSUWF
The baby butchers would call Sam 'Imperfect' and 'Not Viable' That is so true. I worked for five years managing a group home for developmentally disabled adults. These are the folks who really do need help, folks dealt a real bad hand from birth. I worked with a lady who had Spina Bifida, seizure disorder, and severe mental retardation. But let me tell you, she was a wonderful woman, with a unique personality, a great sense of humor, a great zest for life, a loving mother and father. I learned so much from her. I learned how much I have to be thankful for. Anyway, when I see stories like this, I often think of her, and the others that I met, who might someday be considered too "defective" or not viable, or whatever. That is why the real issue of all this really is the value of human life.
PS-I am planning on going back to that work again.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:07:06 PM PDT
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Huck
To: MattinNJ
Great post. Thank you for sharing your story.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:09:20 PM PDT
by
Huck
To: MattinNJ
I knew a girl in college who had an abortion. She found out she was pregnant at 4 weeks, which is the standard time to get a positive pregnancy test.
She wanted to have the abortion immedietely but was told by the abortion clinic that the earliest it could be done was at 6 weeks since the fetus (baby) needed to develop so that they could recognize and remove the entire fetus (baby).
To: M. Peach
So moving, all. Thanks.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:10:08 PM PDT
by
onedoug
To: MattinNJ
I used to be somewhat of a chauvinist until I had a daughter. I tell you, it COMPLETELY changes your opinion of women and the whole dating scene.
Even though I was married and had sisters, having a daughter completely changed my perspective of how men should treat women.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:11:00 PM PDT
by
M. Peach
To: Texas Eagle
I too would like to get a copy of that video tape. Please keep us posted on where it came from and how we can get a copy!
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:12:54 PM PDT
by
dpa5923
To: Huck
"...the real issue of all this really is the value of human life..." That's the heart of it.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:15:49 PM PDT
by
DWSUWF
To: shadowman99
CONGRATULATIONS!!! :)
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:17:16 PM PDT
by
agrace
To: Texas Eagle
Thank you very much.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:19:33 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: M. Peach
There is a new technique in radiology-called 4 D Ultrasound-which shows the facial features,in real time, of a very early fetus. Parents are going gaga over this and every OB office wants a GE Voluson Ultrasound unit, so they can stay competitive.The pro abortion groups are dismayed at this technology, for obvious reasons.
To: M. Peach
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:21:52 PM PDT
by
Coleus
To: MattinNJ
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:26:50 PM PDT
by
Coleus
To: MattinNJ
Your Wrote: "My view is simply based on when the little angels become recognizable. I don't know when that is, maybe 4 weeks."
When "the little angels are recognizable"
You cannot base decisions on what you think or feel.
Better to abide by: "NONE DARE RISK MURDER" and remember the fact that you began just as every other human being began - as a clump of cells with your own unique and individual DNA.
To: shadowman99
Prayers for you and your growing family. What joy! Congratulations. Be sure and keep us posted on her (and their) progress...
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:30:16 PM PDT
by
lsee
To: M. Peach
Thanks for reminding me that Life is such a beautiful Choice.
To: inflorida
Thanks for the info. If 4 weeks is the standard to get a pregnancy test and 6 weeks is the earliest that it can be scheduled, then thats where the line needs to be drawn.
I know many conservatives have the position that the law should be no abortion period, but I don't think thats feasible. SCOTUS ruled that it was against the Constitution (the Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves). The only way to undo that is pass an Amendment to the Constitution or get SCOTUS to overturn their decision. Since neither is likely to happen anytime soon, I would suggest that we steal a page out of the liberals playbook and make incremental improvements. Let's all get on the same page and win one fight at a time. If we're divided nothing is going to be achieved.
The first fight should be Partial Birth Abortion. Then get it down to a trimester, etc...
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:33:36 PM PDT
by
MattinNJ
To: MattinNJ
When a bunch of cells are programmed to become a tumor or cancer, it's okay to remove them. When a bunch of cells are programmed to become a human baby, they are precious even while not recognizable as a baby.
Ask any woman who has struggled to conceive and she will tell you that "barely pregnant" is VERY pregnant in her mind. From the moment she even THINKS she might be pregnant, it is already a baby in her hopes, her dreams, her heart. She knows those cells could become her child, if nothing goes wrong.
One reason women panic when they discover they have become pregnant and don't want to be is that knowledge that without killing it, that little bunch of dividing cells will inevitably and predictably grow into a baby.
I think God grants a woman several months of pregnancy in part to allow her time to prepare herself for motherhood. A woman makes a mistake if she believes these several months are to give her time to decide whether or not she WANTS that baby and to get rid of it if she so chooses.
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posted on
10/15/2002 7:40:47 PM PDT
by
lsee
To: MattinNJ
During the time that my friend had her abortion, I was pro-choice. Ten years have passed and today I can say that I am pro-life.
Even a fetus at 6 weeks shows the beginning of a heart, the start of fingers, etc.
I agree that partial-birth abortion is the first issue that needs to be stopped but abortion in general should be outlawed.
It is now ten years later since my friend had her abortion and she is married to the same boyfriend who impregnanted her. She doesn't like to talk about the abortion but when she does she reveals that she will never forgive herself.
They are expecting their first child on 4/1/03 so she has been especially remorseful lately.
BTW - Glad to hear your story :-)
To: M. Peach
thank you for the picture
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