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Hil for Prez?
Poll says no way
New York Daily News ^
| JOE MAHONEY
Posted on 10/15/2002 1:36:11 AM PDT by kattracks
Nearly seven of 10 Americans don't want to see Sen. Hillary Clinton run for the White House in 2004 - or anytime else.
A new poll released yesterday showed 69% of voters nationwide never want to see New York's junior senator take a stab at the presidency.
"She is a very polarizing figure," said Marist Institute for Public Opinion pollster Lee Miringoff. "She does okay among Democrats, and that's about it. There is very little crossover appeal."
Even among her fellow Democrats, Clinton has only modest support. About 42% support a run for the presidency, while 53% said she should never seek the job her husband held for two terms.
Clinton has tried to squelch any talk that she'll run for President in 2004, insisting she'll serve out her full six-year Senate term. But she has not completely ruled out the idea of a run for the White House.
If she ever does try, she'll face some tough-minded voters. A slim 37% view the former First Lady favorably, while 53% give her a thumbs down.
In a reversal of fortunes, Clinton's one-time congressional rival, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, still enjoys sky-high approval ratings more than a year after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Some 78% of poll respondents said they have a favorable impression of the ex-mayor - but just 9% picked a run for the presidency as a future Giuliani career choice.
"The problem for Rudy Giuliani is that there is no great consensus yet as to what he should do," Miringoff said. "But there is clearly a reservoir of public support in his corner."
Given a menu of choices, 29% of voters said Giuliani should keep his day job as a business consultant; 17% said he should run for mayor in 2005; 11% said he should replace Vice President Cheney in 2004, and 11% said he should be appointed to a national security post.
Giuliani's appeal cut across party lines. About 74% of Democrats view him favorably, as do 85% of Republicans and 77% of independent voters.
The poll was based on a sample of 1,017 adults and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
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posted on 10/15/2002 1:36:11 AM PDT
Of course she won't believe this poll, the Clintons never see the negative as real when it comes to themselves.
posted on 10/15/2002 1:41:02 AM PDT
While this poll is instructive, it will not stop her. It is very unlikely that Hill will run in '04 (she has publicly ruled it out) as she needs more time to rehabilitate her badly tarnished image (reflected by this poll). However, the political landscape can change in the next 4 to 5 years, before the '08 elections.
The first leg of her strategy seems to be to keep her head down as much as possible, win a strong re-election in '06, and quietly sow her financial seeds through numerous fundraisers (by both her and Bill) for key party members. By early 2007, she will be ready to start cashing in those chips to begin her run.
The second leg of the strategy will be to make sure that Bush is re-elected in '04. Hillary will need a clear field in order to run in '08. Therefore, it is likely that Hill (and hubby) will do everything they can behind the scenes to sabotage the Democrat party chances of emerging victorious over Bush in '04.
If someone like Lieberman were to win in two years, Hill's presidential aspirations (and they are very real) would likely be derailed for 8 more years, making her 65 on election day in 2012.
While her age may not be a major issues at that time (considering the use of hair coloring and the miracles of plastic surgery) only 3 Presidents have taken the oath of office at a greater age. By 2012, she could be off the radar screen, and she knows it.
So, Bush must win in '04, to keep her hopes alive. Watch for Hill and Bill to align with either Gore (most likely to lose to Dubya) or with the most liberal of the upcoming bunch.
John Kerry would seem to be the next most likely sacrificial lamb (after Gore) for the Clintons. Kerry's unabashed liberal tone will sell with the Dim party faithful during the nomination process. But, the same liberal moniker will severely hurt his chances in the general election.
Once the field is clear for '08 and time has helped heal the wounds and the memories of the Clinton presidency, Hill will be poised to attempt a run for POTUS in '08.
And, she will be a formidable candidate. Assuming she gets the nomination (she would be the leading candidate for the Dims), Hill starts the election with the Dim base of states in her pocket. This base includes NY and CA and totals nearly 190 electoral votes. In this situation anything can happen.
So, it is not entirely unthinkable that someday we may all have President Hillary Rhodam Clinton as our commander in chief. Don't bet against her based on one poll!
In the JFK Inaugural, it was "...Ask what You can do for your Country!"
In the modern campaigns, the Democrat Voters ask, "What will the Democrats give to Me?"
There needs to be a discussion about the Preamble's "promote the general Welfare". We need to make a distinction between "promote the general Welfare", and 'create the welfare-state'. And Democrat voters (and others) need to understand this difference.
If the leaders won't change their policies, then Democrat and union voters need to abandon the socialism of the modern Democratic Party and vote to reject the Democrat candidates.
incredible! surrealistic! no way!
posted on 10/15/2002 3:32:29 AM PDT
It's the "right wing conspiracy" again! Anyone have proof of Newt Gingrich's whereabouts during this poll?
Maybe we can blame it on the religious right (whoever they are). Ich bien Ein New Yorker.....Ich bien Ein New Yorker.....
posted on 10/15/2002 3:59:24 AM PDT
there was anoth poll showing 93% AGAINST
"She is a very polarizing figure,"
She is a socialist....who wants to live in a BIG house and look down at the little people, and make decisions for them! She has an immense mental problem, but a very big Rolodex.
Hillary, you should have gone cross-country skiing back in your college years with David Rupert, but, you were afraid you'd fall down. Think how much better things would have been. You could have been President without that overwhelming baggage of Bill's behavior. Nancy Pietrefesa was right.
"You know, Hillary, to become perfect, athletes have to be imperfect a lot of the time." -David R.
It's not the worst thing to fall.
Only seven out of ten? That's pretty scary!
By 2012, she could be off the radar screen
By 2012 I'll be 74 yrs. old. I PRAY I live long enough to see the day when Hildabeast is off the radar screen and out of our lives.
posted on 10/15/2002 4:38:00 AM PDT
Jewish World Review Sept. 6, 2002 / 29 Elul, 5762
Come listen to a story about a man named ... Bill
| Actual news item: CBS plans to resurrect the '60s sitcom "The Beverly Hillbillies" as a reality show.
Bill Clinton: Hoo doggies! Would you look at this place! I can't believe CBS is going to let us live here a whole year! Now, where do you think they hid the snacks?
Hillary Clinton: Bill, please. Don't embarrass me. I know you're disappointed that you didn't get your own talk show, but this was the best offer that came along. If you ever want to have your own library, you'd better make this work.
Bill: This isn't going to be work, Hillary. This is going to be fun. Look, there's a camera!
(Bill puts his arm around Hillary, bites his lip and speaks solemnly to the camera.)
My fellow Americans, I just want to say that I never had sex with this woman.
Hillary: Bill! What if Chelsea heard you say something like that! Good thing the cameras aren't turned on yet.
Bill: I'm hot. I'm gettin' out of these clothes.
Hillary: William Jefferson Clinton! You leave your clothes on! You've got maids to interview.
Bill: Say what?
Hillary: That's right. Maids, cooks, personal assistants, fitness trainers ... the network wants to follow the adventures of a rural, lower-middle class family that's been suddenly transplanted into a Beverly Hills mansion.
Bill (brightening): Who's going to play Elly May?
Hillary: I understand they're trying to get Janet Reno. They think she's going to have a lot of free time on her hands soon.
Bill: Aw, man!
Hillary: Al Gore has agreed to play Jethro but only under the condition that you two are never seen in the same room together.
Bill: What about Mr. Drysdale?
Hillary: Ken Lay is the obvious choice, but only if he doesn't go to prison.
Bill: And Granny?
Hillary: That's been a tough one. The producers want Alan Greenspan. He's OK with the wig and the dress, but he absolutely refuses to sit in a rocking chair on top of the truck.
Bill: He was always cautious, that Alan. Who will you play, Hillary?
Hillary: They asked me to play Miss Hathaway, but I don't know. She's kind of a frumpy nerd. Do you think it'll be too much of a stretch, Bill?
Bill: I think you'll do fine, Hillary.
Hillary: I'm worried, Bill. You were president of the United States and I'm a U.S. senator. Are you sure this isn't beneath our dignity?
Bill: Oh, I don't know Hillary. What time did you say those maid applicants are scheduled to arrive?
Hillary: On second thought, you'd better let me interview the maids. Why don't you go out in the kitchen and fix us some lunch.
Bill (jumping up and down): Can I get a double cheeseburger meal deal from McDonald's instead? Please! Please!
Hillary (sighing): Oh, I suppose that would be all right. We're supposed to be dumb hillbillies, after all.
Bill: Hillary, when the year's over, can we take some souvenirs back to Little Rock with us?
Hillary (giving Bill a hug): You know we can, Bill. You know we can.
Its early in the morning, the pup has been out to do his duty, the coffee is at my elbow and I am reading the FR headlines...felt fine until I read this business about Hillary...just the thought of that woman still pushing her considerable weight around in the usual Clinton manner, deviously, has spiked my blood pressure!
Hillary is like the Canker Sore, or fever blister that keeps popping up, causing discomfort and annoyance to millions of Americans. She will continue to plague the nation as long as the NEA, NOW, and all the other fringe socialist/Marxist groups continue support her. She is more than polarizing; she is the consummate infection that wont go away. The DNC has a lot of therapy ahead of them in order to rid themselves of this ulcerous torment.
posted on 10/15/2002 6:14:09 AM PDT
She'll need a job when her Senate gig plays out...
Maybe she could get a job at a 'Mustang Ranch' type of establishment servicing their sight-impaired clients.
I can picture her, chewing gum as she stands in the doorway to her room wearing a horribly soiled teddy, giving her last visitor a curt shove down the hallway. (as he struggles to get his pants up)
The hallway floor would be concrete, of course, with a drain conveniently near Hil's door. She would take the end of a garden hose from a rack mounted on the wall, give the faucet that its other end is attached to a jaunty spin and hose herself off 'down there' as she bellows: "NEXT!".
And if, as many have suggested, Hil's personal 'preference' isn't for men, that need not interfere with her work.
I'm sure that the establishment's Madam could take her aside, should the need arise, and say, "Honey, you don't got to like 'em, Ya just got to **** 'em."
That would put things squarely on a level she could understand.
posted on 10/15/2002 6:47:51 AM PDT
Unfortunately, I think your predictions in #3 are spot on. In fact, if I were
a betting woman, I would say this Marist poll is the beginning of her refurbishing. The Marist poll, and certainly the NY Daily News are very Democrat-friendly institutions. Hillary herself may have ordered a poll that had rock bottom numbers today, so that 5 or 6 years from now, when she has slightly higher numbers, she can point to the "tremendous surge" in her popularity and claim that "the people" are demanding that she run - much like her then Governor husband did in Arkansas.
And it scares the bejabbers out of me. fsf
I bet Senator Clinton will paraphrase Admiral Farragut:
Damn the polls! Full speed ahead! Nothing will stop ME now."
The obvious point of humor here is that they're so blind they had to poll to know that nobody would vote for her.
posted on 10/16/2002 8:14:57 AM PDT
To: Mia T
You need to start investigating WHY the Hildabeast "hasn't produced" her book yet??? She was WELL paid for a BOOK. Where is the DAMN book? I wonder IF the payment she has RECEIVED is now a LEGAL transaction of money? Could it be considered a ILLEGAL cash transaction? WHEN is she supposed to provide a BOOK for the money she received? I want the MEDIA to start digging into this matter...I want somebody to start asking questions...where is the "Mark Levin/Laura Ingraham/Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly" on this matter?
I want some 'spalining from that wicked old bitch...Hitlery.
posted on 12/23/2002 6:36:29 AM PST
Once the field is clear for '08 and time has helped heal the wounds and the memories of the Clinton presidency
Okay, Freepers. We have our work cut out for us. Let us keep the memory of the felonious Hillary alive in the hearts of our countrymen. Let not one Hillary thread go by without posting the truth. If she is slated to be in your area, freep the $#!+ out of her.
Now is the time for all good Freepers to come to the aid of their country.
posted on 12/23/2002 6:46:31 AM PST
"She has an immense mental problem, but a very big Rolodex."
and 900 FBI files,
posted on 12/23/2002 6:56:33 AM PST
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