[Luis Gonzalez]

It's real simple.

Historically, the relations between the U.S. and Mexico have been rocky at best, but to insinuate that the U.S. has clean hands in this is silly.

It doesn't however, change the fact that maintaining good relations with the nation that borders you is the best possible way to defend your own borders.

There is however, this problem with illegal immigrants.

It seems to me that the biggest concern everyone has, is the economic drain of illegal immigration--and we can quibble about how much that is exactly--, but fact is, we are giving them welfare. You see, I see that as being the real problem.

And it isn't all the Feds really, those are mostly State decisions.

If we want to put a stop to illegal aliens coming to make this their home, then we need to stop giving the house away.

Change the people that write the laws.

Any conservative will be more accountable to us, than any liberal will, at any level of government.

Take the Senate.

Vote Republican this year.

[PuNcH]

but to insinuate that the U.S. has clean hands in this is silly.

I wonder if you can find someone on this thread who was insinuating that? We have a crime wave because we are not enforcing our laws.

but fact is, we are giving them welfare. You see, I see that as being the real problem.

Yup that is a real problem. So is the drug smuggling and the threat of terrorism. Do you think drug cartels and terrorists are looking for some free welfare?

[hchutch]

Careful, you are making sense about the situation.

That's not going to make the Tancredo-bots happy or willing to discuss matters.