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Border Patrol Agent Shot
El Paso Times ^ | Oct 13, 2002 | Jum Conley

Posted on 10/13/2002 3:12:34 AM PDT by FryingPan101

Borderland Sunday, October 13, 2002

A Border Patrol agent from Fort Hancock was shot in the leg about 4:20 p.m. Saturday by someone on the Mexican side of the Rio Grande while agents were pursuing smugglers 27 miles southeast of the Ysleta Port of Entry, Border Patrol officials said.

The female agent, whose name was not released, was expected to be released Saturday night from Thomason Hospital, El Paso Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier said.

The shooting took place after smugglers in a pickup "carrying at least 500 pounds of marijuana" were spotted, he said.

A pursuit began "and the smugglers drove their vehicle into the water and fled into Mexico on foot."

Even though the smugglers reached the safety of Mexico, Mosier said, "apparently a number of assailants were waiting on the Mexico side, and a sustained barrage of gunfire occurred."

The agent was struck by a bullet that penetrated the vehicle, he said. Agents returned fire.

This was thought to be the first shooting of an El Paso sector Border Patrol agent in about 13 years.

On Sept. 12, two El Paso FBI agents were severely beaten by train bandits during a sting operation in the Sunland Park-Anapra area.


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To: Luis Gonzalez
I see that you are engaging in fortune telling now,

Just like you did in post #30.

At least now I know where you are coming from.

So, you will put the interest’s of another country before the interest’s of America?

At least now I know where you are coming from now.

101 posted on 10/15/2002 7:47:50 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
No, I put America's best interest forward, unlike all the more famous America Firsters such as Charles Lindbergh, and today's most famous America Firster, Pat Buchanan.

The red and the brown

With his new magazine, Pat Buchanan links the old right to the new left

By Ronald Radosh, 10/13/2002

WHEN THE FIRST ISSUE of The American Conservative, the new weekly edited by Patrick J. Buchanan, recently hit the newsstand, readers might have been excused for wondering if they had accidentally picked up The Nation. Buchanan's magazine, which he co-edits with the journalist Taki Theodoracopulos, resembles its left-liberal counterpart in appearance and is printed on the same cheap newsprint. Even more remarkably, much of The American Conservative's contents could just as easily have appeared in the flagship publication of America's left.

In their Oct. 7 debut, the editors bitterly lament the victory of the ''neoconservatives'' in our country's cultural and political wars; the neoconservatives, in their view, stand for unfettered interventionism, free trade, and unlimited immigration. By contrast, The American Conservative promises to champion a number of causes that also find support on the political left: protectionism to keep workers' wages high in America; opposition to globalism (''we will point to the pitfalls of the global free trade economy''); and the struggle against ''global hegemony.'' Noam Chomsky probably would not put it differently.

102 posted on 10/15/2002 8:04:28 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Dame, you sound like Clinton.

It depends on what your definition of "it" is.

103 posted on 10/15/2002 8:09:44 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"...nothing will happen until we have a large loss of American life due to a terrorist..."

You see numbnuts, that's the difference between you and I, I know that already happened, but you want to bleat about Mexican dirt farmers, instead of addressing the Muslim assholes that already killed thousands of Americans.

104 posted on 10/15/2002 8:18:49 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"I've been there. I've done business with these people. They are corrupt, crooked and in general do not like Americans."

"My partners were not corrupt."

Jesus man! You're starting to make my ehad spin!

The whole country is corrupt except you and your partners!

Imagine that!

By the way, will you ever sdubstantiate ANY of these claims you keep making?

BTW, I don't want to kiss Mexican ass, but you can kiss mine.

105 posted on 10/15/2002 8:23:47 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"You see numbnuts, that's the difference between you and I, I know that already happened, but you want to bleat about Mexican dirt farmers"

Uh,no. I've seen the Mexican dirt farmers who has there sewage running off into the produce being shipped to the "yanquis".

" instead of addressing the Muslim assholes that already killed thousands of Americans."

I did. And the Mexican government is giving aid and comfort. Sounds like an enemy to me. Oooops, I forgot. I'm being politically incorrect. Forgive me please. I won't wear fur or demand rights for Americans over criminals either.


Liberal DU suckwad.
106 posted on 10/15/2002 8:32:14 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"And the Mexican government is giving aid and comfort."

Show me.

"Liberal DU suckwad."

Oooooooh! Hit a nerve?

BTW, was that shit ladden lettuce what you and your honest Mexican partners imported into the US, or where you into something just as green, but more profitable?

107 posted on 10/15/2002 8:37:06 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: 4Freedom
The army should train its spec ops forces in desert warfare on the Mexican border. I would love to see the smugglers try to fire on border patrol agents with a couple Marine snipers on the hillside. Armed with a Fifty calibre Barrett, they can remove hairs from a dog's butt at 1000+ yards. It would be the last mistake they made.
108 posted on 10/15/2002 8:47:37 PM PDT by BOBWADE
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To: Luis Gonzalez
""And the Mexican government is giving aid and comfort."

Show me.

In the first installment of the new FNC newsmagazine show Whorealdo infiltrated and introduced America to the Mexican smugglers who brought Iranian and Iraqi Secret Service agents into Southern California. When they were asked about the Mehican "gubment" the smugglers said, and I quote, "they are well taken care of". Yeah, I know you have your nose up their butts to defend them. So please, go back to DU.

"BTW, was that shit ladden lettuce what you and your honest Mexican partners imported into the US, or where you into something just as green, but more profitable?"

Apparel could be green. However, not in your inference. Actually the manufacturer I worked with lost over 1 million dollars in raw materials due to the "honest" Mexican populus stealing truckloads and container loads of raw materials due to the "honest" transporters failing to pay the "tolls" on the "Mehican" highways. Nope, no green there. I told the manufacturer they would be better off with slave labor in China. 8 years later, gee, what a shock. They bribed the communists and got a lower loss rate. Pretty pathetic that your friends are less honest than communists. But then again, why, after my personal experiences, should I expect less? Especially after reading the shockingly poor attempts at humor in your last post. Guess I hit a nerve. The truth always does hit that nerve very, very brutally.
109 posted on 10/15/2002 8:56:33 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: BOBWADE
Barrett????

The hell with that. Let's set up some firebases. Texas and Arizona are begging.
110 posted on 10/15/2002 8:57:42 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
So, your proof is the guy you yourself call Whorealdo (the same guy who discovered the secrets of Al Capone's vault), smugglers whom you would not otherwise believe, and the word of a man in jail.

OK, that clears everything up.

The only evident truth here, is your xenophobic hatred of an entire nation of people.

Adios amigo!!!

111 posted on 10/15/2002 9:04:05 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You are playing semantics, a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler, not an "invading enemy force", regardless of what you say.

Invader => mexican military => drug smuggler

The invader is in the mexican military and is protecting drug smugglers.

The invader is a smuggler who is smuggling drugs.

The invader is a coyote who is smuggling in terrorists. Would you also classify terrorists as just terrorists and not invaders?

BTW, Did you forget that several of the 9/11 hijackers recieved false documentation from illegal immigrants south of the border?

112 posted on 10/15/2002 9:11:18 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Luis Gonzalez
" So, your proof is the guy you yourself call Whorealdo (the same guy who discovered the secrets of Al Capone's vault), smugglers whom you would not otherwise believe, and the word of a man in jail.

OK, that clears everything up.

The only evident truth here, is your xenophobic hatred of an entire nation of people.

Adios amigo!!!

Hmmmm, did I ever say I hated all the people? Uh, no. There are millions of hard working, honest Mexicans who want to become Americans the legal way and I have no problem with them. Xenophobic? No, it's your paranoia. You think that because a sovereign nation should assert it's right to defend it's border that it's racist. Yet you have nothing to say about the weekly killings of Hondurans and other Central Americans who are shot by the "non-corrupt" Mexican government for the crime of trying to cross north into Mexico to get to the U.S., but don't have those all mighty dollaros to justify their living. Yes, Mexico is the Pope's paradise (not). That nation has become Cuba on the U.S. border. Except there is not a declared communist leader. Except that a necessary embargo has yet to be declared. Except that the border has not been sealed. But don't worry. Your buddies might get to cross some day legally. Hell, just keep begging the U.N. and the idiots who hold political office in our nation and we might even give you Commiefornia back. I hope we do. Then build a wall that keeps the scum out. Because I'm sick and tired of the rat scum stealing my hard earned tax dollars.
113 posted on 10/15/2002 9:12:25 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: PuNcH
Give it up. Luis is just another PC crybaby. You will never get an honest discussion from him. He'll just keep praising the scum from down south and never admit the truth.
114 posted on 10/15/2002 9:13:49 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This is a problem that has been around for decades, if not centuries, and the "fix" isn't either an obvious one, nor an easy one to implament.

Complete bullshit. The problem has rapidly increased as we've given out amnesties and stopped enforcing the laws. The problem is a crime wave that is not even beginning to be comparable to the past.

115 posted on 10/15/2002 9:13:58 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: PuNcH
"The invader is in the mexican military and is protecting drug smugglers."

I quoted Tancredo earlier on this thread, and even he doesn't have knowledge of this happening.

Do you?

Could you help enlighten me and Tom?

No, I don't recall the 9/11 hijackers receiving illegal documents from anyone down south. Best as I can recall, the real issue was that they entered the country legally.

116 posted on 10/15/2002 9:25:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"I've been there. I've done business with these people. They are corrupt, crooked and in general do not like Americans."

"Uh, no. There are millions of hard working, honest Mexicans..."


117 posted on 10/15/2002 9:28:22 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Va. residents charged in ID case
Accused of helping hijackers get cards BY PAUL BRADLEY
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER Oct 02, 2001

ALEXANDRIA - Two Northern Virginia residents were charged yesterday with helping the Sept. 11 terrorist-hijackers obtain bogus Virginia identification cards.

Luis Martinez-Flores, 28, of Falls Church, who authorities said is an illegal immigrant, and Kenys A. Galicia, a secretary in a Falls Church lawyers' office, were charged with exploiting a loophole in state Department of Motor Vehicles rules allowing the hijackers to obtain fraudulent ID cards.

The loophole is now closed.

Martinez-Flores and Galicia appeared yesterday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria and were ordered held without bond pending detention hearings tomorrow morning.

They are the second and third people charged in Alexandria in connection with the deadly attacks in which hijacked jetliners smashed into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.

Last week, authorities arrested Herbert Villalobos, 37, of Washington, on charges he helped at least two of the hijackers fraudulently obtain Virginia identification cards.

Picture identification
All three suspects are charged with abusing former DMV rules that had allowed applicants to obtain a Virginia driver's license or identification card without documents such as a license from another state or a utility bill.

Instead, the applicants could establish identity with a notarized identity form signed by a lawyer, and residency with a notarized residence form signed by a state resident.

Most other states require a picture identification for identity and a lease or utility bill as proof of residence. While authorities do not believe that Martinez-Flores, Villalobos or Galicia were directly involved in the terrorist attacks, holding an apparently valid identification card would have allowed the hijackers to pass more easily through airport security checkpoints.

According to court papers made public yesterday, Martinez-Flores signed residency forms on Aug. 1 certifying that Hani Hanjour and Khalid Almihdhar were Virginia residents. The form signed by Martinez-Flores said Hanjour and Almihdhar lived in a Falls Church apartment where Martinez-Flores used to reside. Martinez-Flores was paid $100 by the two men, court papers said.

Hanjour and Almihdhar were believed to be among five terrorists who hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 from Dulles International Airport and crashed it into the Pentagon, killing 189 people. DMV records show that the two men, both Saudi Arabian nationals, were issued Virginia identification cards Aug. 1 at the DMV office in Springfield, court papers said.

The two men, in turn, used their new cards to assist three other hijackers obtain bogus identification cards. Majed Moqed and Salem Alhazmi, who also were aboard American Airlines Flight 77, received identification cards at the DMV office in Arlington County on Aug. 2. Moqed's residency form was signed by Hanjour, while Alhazmi's residency form was signed by Almihdhar, court papers said.

In addition, Hanjour signed a residency form that allowed Ziad Jarrah to obtain a Virginia identification card Aug. 29 at the Springfield DMV office. Jarrah is among the terrorists accused of hijacking American Airlines Flight 93, which crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pa., killing everyone on board.

Cooperating with the FBI
Court papers said Martinez-Flores, who is cooperating with the FBI, was standing in a 7-Eleven store parking lot in Falls Church on the morning of Aug. 1, looking for day work, when two Arab men drove into the lot in a van. They asked the mostly Hispanic men gathered there whether they would be willing to sign the DMV residency documents, according to the papers.

Two day laborers refused, but Martinez-Flores agreed to assist the men, court papers said. He climbed into the van, and the three men drove to the DMV office in Springfield. There, Martinez-Flores helped the men fill out the required DMV paperwork and signed the residency forms. The three men then returned to the 7-Eleven, where Hanjour and Almihdhar went inside, withdrew $100 from an ATM machine and gave the cash to Martinez-Flores.

Martinez-Flores was taken into custody by the Immigration and Naturalization Service on Sept. 15 and has been placed in deportation proceedings.

Meanwhile, Galicia, a notary public, is accused of assisting hundreds of people to obtain fraudulent Virginia identification cards and driver's licenses in the past two years. A witness who is cooperating with the FBI said Galicia sold him more than 200 residency forms, blank except for Galicia's notary seal and signature, since 1999. The witness, in turn, sold the forms on the street, according to court papers. The witness was arrested then convicted earlier this year on identification fraud charges.

Maximum penalty 15 years
In addition to selling the blank residency forms, court papers said that on Aug. 2, Galicia notarized both DMV identification and residency forms for hijackers Abdulaziz Alomari and Ahmed Salem Alghamdi. The men had been brought to Galicia's office by Villalobos and another man, court papers said.

Alomari was on board American Airlines Flight 11, which was hijacked from Boston and crashed into the World Trade Center's north tower. Alghamdi is believed to be among the terrorists who commandeered United Airlines Flight 175 and slammed it into the World Trade Center's south tower.

The fraud charges carry a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison.

118 posted on 10/15/2002 9:55:01 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Mexican military drug running at border? Federal officials convinced troops aiding smugglers

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/708885/posts

119 posted on 10/15/2002 9:58:54 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
You will never get an honest discussion from him. He'll just keep praising the scum from down south and never admit the truth.

Ah, go re-read. He and Poobah made you look silly with FACTS.

...who has there sewage running...

Nice English. Perhaps you should be deported.

120 posted on 10/15/2002 10:13:45 PM PDT by PRND21
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