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Accelerator rounds would be interesting. Not much they would find except the sabot. No marks on the bullet. What is the accuracy like with them? Seems I read it is pretty good.
59 posted on 10/13/2002 11:46:53 AM PDT by SLB
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Not good at all for right eye left eye work.....average about 4 inch group at best at 100 meters. Needs a very fast twist barrel to work. E.Shaw can make you a Sabot barrel specifically but its expensive. I will suggest that the sabot idea is moot unless all the recovered projectiles are lacking in rifling marks and sabots are present in each case.

That info should never see the light of day "during " the investigation IMO. If such is the case.......

Stay Safe !

60 posted on 10/13/2002 12:13:36 PM PDT by Squantos
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Accelerator rounds would be interesting. Not much they would find except the sabot. No marks on the bullet. What is the accuracy like with them? Seems I read it is pretty good.

I have worked with Accelerator rounds in .308 and their performance was quite good at 100, 200, 300 yards. My handloads using .223 ctgs. were no better.

For the most part Accelerator rounds are no longer available. Last time I checked only 30-30 ctgs. were still stocked. I was told that Remington was "encouraged" by the ATF to stop manufacture because the bullet comes out "clean" (no rifling marks.) Can't verify this, however.

62 posted on 10/13/2002 1:55:07 PM PDT by toddst
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Accelerator rounds ****

Accuracy is hit and miss. Some rifles fair to good, some are very bad. They are not practical for this type of use and the sabot will be found and provide ample engraving.

63 posted on 10/13/2002 9:39:26 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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Accellerator rounds would be interesting....what is the accuracy like with them?

I've shot saboted .224 bullets extensively in several of my .308 and .30-06 rifles; they're also available [or used to be] in the venerable .30-30 cartridge, though I have no experience with them in that round.

But they reach some 4000 feet per second, depending on barrel length [the .308/ 7,62 rifles I tried them in included a Remingtom M600 carbine with short barrel, a M98 Mauser rebarrelled by the Israelis to 7,62 NATO, a heavy-barrelled remington M700, and an L1A1 British FN-FAL semiauto...in which they worked just fine on semi. My .30-og rifles included an '03 Springfield, a Marlin 445 bolt action, and a National Match M1 Garand- in which they also worked fine on semi.

At the speeds they travel, the bullet virtually disintegrates upon hitting the slightest resistance- the back of a cardboard box hit by one resembles a shotgun pattern, with a neat .22 hole in front. The accuracy is quite good, with groups averaging around 4 inches from most of the weapons I tried them in, and around an inch and a half at 100 with the Garand, which is what I eventually picked to mostly run them in- the .308s became very difficult to find, and they're expensive, circa $25 per box of 20. I can get .308 ball and tracer much cheaper, and match ammo if the weapon is capable of delivering decent results with it.

Accellerators woulde not be my pick for such operations, and I don't think that's what he's using. But those holes in the window glass at his earliest attacks are quite similar to the results I had with the things in glass [among other things] from a fairly long-barrelled rifle: holes big enough to stick a thumb into, rather than the more usual pencil-sized .223 hole.

-archy-/-


66 posted on 10/14/2002 6:47:33 PM PDT by archy
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