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NEWSFLASH: Another shooting, approx. 9 AM, this time near Fredericksburg
The Free Lance-Star ^ | now | Jim Lakely

Posted on 10/11/2002 6:54:58 AM PDT by seamus

I work in a newsroom in Fredericksburg, and they heard on the police scanner that a person has been shot at a gas station at "Four Mile Fork" which is a neighborhood just south of the City of Fredericksburg.

No details yet, but I wanted to let y'all know -- and keep up the tradition of FReepers getting news first.

Pray for the victim, and pray that this is a random shooting, and that this monster's terror has not widened yet again.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: monster; shooting; sniper
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To: yukong
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. It had occurred to me, but it seems like he should at least flash a badge or something if there are no police in immediate view. I know that in the past there have been people who selected their victims by impersonating police, pulling over cars, and robbing/killing the occupants. I guess in this case it was warranted, however, so that the sniper couldn't identify someone to target later in case he were hiding nearby watching the investigation unfold.
1,581 posted on 10/11/2002 1:48:51 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: mhking
Sniper's ability to disappear into the traffic is perplexing.
1,582 posted on 10/11/2002 1:49:03 PM PDT by Liz
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Bastards could say 'attack Iraq and you get more of these'. That would be a potent way to terrorize the soccer moms, who would drop support of the war and hope that if we 'could all just be friends in the Middle East' this would all go away.... a lot of interesting parameters here.

That's what I'm leaning towards, in my near-total ignorance of any real hard data. I'm sure that something like that would be right up Al-Qaeda's alley, and Saddam Hussein would love it too.

1,583 posted on 10/11/2002 1:49:49 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: relee
And here is what I have to say to Governor Warner and his glaring discrepancy in not adding foreign terrorism into the possible equation:

"On a sunny day in rural Ohio, a routine traffic stop becomes a nightmare. As a sheriff's deputy approaches an apparently disabled pickup truck, armed men leap from its bed, spray him with gunfire and toss a homemade bomb into his squad car before escaping. In Los Angeles, masked men capture a small office building, killing its security guards before taking more than a dozen hostages. As the day unfolds, the masked men demand time on local television, and use it to rail against American "decadence." Sometime near midnight, the terrorists kill all of their hostages in front of live cameras before setting off a bomb that destroys the building, kills themselves and leaves an indelible impression on the horrified audience. In suburban Washington, D.C., a band of terrorists attack and kill a senator out for a round of golf. In Dallas, an unknown attacker gains entry into the house of a wealthy local businessman, and kills him by pumping 15 rounds from a .45 into his body. The assailant escapes into the night. On the average day, any one of these crimes would make national headlines. Imagine if they all happened on the same day, at roughly the same time. Imagine if America's number-one enemy in the war on terror, al Qaeda, claimed responsibility before finishing the day with a cataclysmic attack reminiscent of 9/11. If training videos unearthed during last fall's campaign in Afghanistan are accurate, al Qaeda is planning just such a day for America and her allies. According to a U.S. Army assessment of its training videos, al Qaeda operatives get high quality, professional preparation to carry out a number of combat operations. According to the Army's assessment, which I have reviewed, al Qaeda troops are well trained and can pose a serious tactical threat to American and allied forces engaging them. In fact, their training in matters ranging from weapons handling to multi-layered force structure suggests a level of professionalism that is likely the result of contact with a state military structure. When they initiate an attack, they don't go in as cowboys. Carrying their handguns in the high ready position, or their assault rifles in a disciplined, military bearing, they never handle or fire their weapons in a haphazard manner. Their strike forces divide into teams, coordinated along lines of responsibility such as assault, security and support elements. These sub-elements maintain synchronicity via handheld radios. Most chilling of all, the tactics seen on the al Qaeda training tape match nothing seen on the battlefields of Afghanistan. It's therefore reasonable to conclude that the videotaped tactics are for some future attack. The entire tape points to such a conclusion. The ambush scenario featured six-lane highways with cloverleaf exit and entry patterns similar to those in the United States and Europe. Some of the hostage scenarios featured raids of buildings with large numbers of occupants, suggesting schools or businesses. The golf-course scenario certainly doesn't look like anything likely to be pulled off in most Middle Eastern countries. Dignitaries seem to be the target of the assassination on a golf course, as mentioned above. The assessment also concludes that al Qaeda designs these raids to maximize media coverage. They would do this by combining mass casualty attacks such as 9/11 with other, smaller-scale attacks designed to get their operatives on camera to deliver messages and speeches. Al Qaeda would carry out the attacks simultaneously at multiple geographical locations to maximize their psychological effect. The tapes also suggest that the group is shifting its tactics to take into account post 9/11 realities. During the past decade, al Qaeda established a pattern of always trying to top its last feat: if the training tapes are our guide, a weakened al Qaeda would be planning a series of smaller attacks spread around the West, targeting soft targets which would offer little or no resistance. The purpose of such a spread attack would be to demonstrate that al Qaeda is still capable of carrying out attacks on our soil, and to instill fear and panic around the world. It would be successful on both counts, if we aren't prepared for it. Al Qaeda trains its fighters in everything from multiple-team raids to motorcycle-borne drive-by shootings. They are trained to properly handle their weapons, to use explosives both for infiltrating buildings as well as intimidating their victims. They also train with live-fire as the norm, which gets them used to the sound, smell, and feel of combat. Recent reports indicate that Iraq hosted and trained several of al Qaeda's top lieutenants — the taped tactics suggest the involvement of a professional military at some level. The attacks depicted focused on vulnerable, unguarded, even random targets, and seem tailor-made to create panic and instill a lasting sense of insecurity. As Western intelligence uncovers more sleeper cells of al Qaeda's terrorists around the world, we should endeavor to learn all that we can about who has been to al Qaeda's camps, and where those operatives are now. The training should also serve to remind us of the true nature of our enemy: Al Qaeda is a ruthless, violent, but highly disciplined and organized enemy. We underestimate them at our peril." (Brian Preston, National Review)

1,584 posted on 10/11/2002 1:50:24 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: 11th_VA
Gray Davis is a suspect?


1,585 posted on 10/11/2002 1:50:39 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
The masks are to hide their faces... these are probably undercover police they had to bring in for extra manpower.
1,586 posted on 10/11/2002 1:50:43 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Most likely, that agent had his badge on his belt or clipped somewhere to his jacket. Rarely, if never will an agent be out on an operation and not have a badge visible. Unless he/she is on an active undercover operation, and in that case, most likely, he wouldn't be carrying an AR15.
1,587 posted on 10/11/2002 1:50:43 PM PDT by yukong
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To: yukong
I can remember is the sound of my bowels emptying into may shorts.

Thanks for sharing...:)

1,588 posted on 10/11/2002 1:50:50 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: lizma
Shot fired in Bethesda last night.

Shot fired in Bethesda? That's highly unusual, isn't it?

Where in Bethesda? What time? Can they tell if it was from the sniper's gun?

1,589 posted on 10/11/2002 1:51:28 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Tony in Hawaii
Here in California, the Union 76 stations proudly advertise that their gas has no MTBE. Of course, it still has ethanol in it, and I'm not sure which is worse.

Hey, at least if the ethanol seeps out of the underground tanks and hits the groundwater, one can drink it...

1,590 posted on 10/11/2002 1:53:58 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Bump for later reading.
1,591 posted on 10/11/2002 1:55:00 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: lizma
You're probably right. I heard teachers in MD (it may have been Tasker Jr.Hi) saying how proud they were of the kids for just coming into school and getting on with their work. It probably is us adults. :)

However, I remember as a kid, being left in a car while my parents grocery shopped and playing outside at all hours in the summer with no parental supervision and riding my bike to the store. No amber alerts or car jackings with kids in the car (here last year) that I remember, anyway. Some things have changed.
1,592 posted on 10/11/2002 1:55:39 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I've been basing my assessment on exactly the types of material you posted. What's throwing me off is that there doesn't seem to be any focus on terrorism from the federal, state or local authorities. I don't understand it. Either they know it's terrorism and they don't want to panic us -- or they already who it is and it's not terrorism.
1,593 posted on 10/11/2002 1:56:13 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: ChadGore
Yep, I'm hoping for an end to the choke-hold that foreigners have on America's energy supply. We need to go to local coal, gas, and nuclear generation, and highly efficient vehicle engines. We also need to be going to hydrogen internal combusion ceramic engines or fuel cell cars.
1,594 posted on 10/11/2002 1:56:57 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: Conservative Tiger
I wonder if this guy ends up going out in a hail of gunfire if we will know what his motives are. Hopefully, he'll leave some info behind. "Dear Mister Policeman , this is whay I did it..." :) (Though someone must know this guy and would be able to fill in the blanks.)
1,595 posted on 10/11/2002 1:59:30 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: MJemison
Do you suppose they will? Or maybe they have. I would think you would have to get them into place asap. And hope they get lucky.

Start with gas stations, wooded areas and balconies.
1,596 posted on 10/11/2002 1:59:53 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: freeperfromnj
"...they already who it is and it's not terrorism..."

I would suspect, if they knew who it was, there would be photos or sketches in mass circulation right now attached to numerous BOLOs.
1,597 posted on 10/11/2002 2:00:08 PM PDT by yukong
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To: yukong
Yes, that's what I thought, (the answer I gave for the person that asked that question. See my reply post #1,562).
Thanks for the confirmation.
1,598 posted on 10/11/2002 2:00:42 PM PDT by two23
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To: yukong
I couldn't tell you, because the only sound that I can remember is the sound of my bowels emptying into may shorts.

I can imagine! I was lucky, it was all pit work and I was expecting something.

1,599 posted on 10/11/2002 2:01:43 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: All
Does anyone know what they found? I saw on MSNBC they had red bag with stuff in it, I just caught the tale end of the broadcast.
1,600 posted on 10/11/2002 2:02:25 PM PDT by stlnative
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