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1 posted on 10/11/2002 6:10:45 AM PDT by apackof2
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Bump me
2 posted on 10/11/2002 6:11:08 AM PDT by apackof2
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The conclusion that demons are behind the RUFOs phenomenon is testable.
Rational, did you say?
3 posted on 10/11/2002 6:14:56 AM PDT by Asclepius
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Respected UFOolgists

My nomination for the oxymoron du jour.

4 posted on 10/11/2002 6:16:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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bump for later reading
7 posted on 10/11/2002 6:19:41 AM PDT by billbears
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He did an "intense study of the bible" but didn't mention the nefilim? I don't know if the nefilim are the classic examples of extraterrestrials, but they're the best candidate.
12 posted on 10/11/2002 6:30:25 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: apackof2; dighton; Orual; aculeus; general_re
"Reasons to Believe is an interdenominational ministry..."

Maybe that should read "interdimensional ministry".

16 posted on 10/11/2002 6:36:09 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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If a civilization can construct inter-galactic space ships, then they are also capable of developing cloaking mechanisms and even ways of affecting the physicality of matter. "It's easy once you know how."
22 posted on 10/11/2002 6:53:15 AM PDT by Consort
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"The number of candidates for life sites within the Milky Way grows smaller each day," says Hugh.

Ummm, you mean carbon based life as we know it, don't you Hugh?

"There are more things under the sun than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

23 posted on 10/11/2002 6:55:22 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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One reason why research scientists may be reluctant to say specifically that demons exist behind the RUFOs is because that answer points too directly to a Christian interpretation of the problem.


I am God.

24 posted on 10/11/2002 6:55:58 AM PDT by Orual
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Think inside the box.
30 posted on 10/11/2002 7:16:19 AM PDT by aculeus
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Actually, once you eliminate those objects that are only unidentifiable to the observer but not to a trained expert (aircraft, atmospheric phenomena, celestial objects), then I believe that the probability is very high that those few incidents left over (RUFOs) will eventually be found to either be incidents of classified military research or else a few odd types of geophysical phenomena that have not yet been scientifically discovered and studied.

As a Christian, I am open to the demon explanation, and perhaps there is some of that as well. More likely, however, there are still a few phenomena out there that our scientists haven't yet discovered, and very likely a whole lot of secret hardware that's been tested over the years, but that nobody is EVER going to admit in public.

As a Christian, the mere proposition that there might possibly be a few other planets out there in the universe capable of supporting life, and that God might have even created life on some of them, is not particularly bothersome. However, the necessity for such planets to be largely -- but not completely -- covered by oceans and an atmosphere that is not excessively toxic or pressurized (like Venus's) imposes a stringent set of constraints on planetary size and orbital location that would limit the number of possible planets to a very tiny fraction of all existing planets, even though it now appears that planetary systems are fairly common. To this must also be added the fact that unless the planetary system is located in the outer margins of a galaxy (as is ours), the radiation levels from the mass of stars in the center of the galaxy would be lethal to life, further limiting the number of possible candidate planets. Thus, we are truly talking about just a few planets, not the "milions and millions" that Carl Sagan and his fans would have us believe.

Added to this, there is no reason to suppose that the existence of life on another planet necessarilly must result in the existence of intelligent life. As a Christian, I have to believe that absent God's special intervention, it is in fact impossible that such would exist. But even if you fully buy into the evolutionist thinking, there is no reason to believe that intelligence is an inevitable outcome of biological evolution. Thus, even if intelligent life on other planets exists, it must be extremely rare.

Thus, even if such intelligent life could exist, it would be so few and far between that the cosmic distances would be so vast as to likely preclude any possible contact. Science fiction notwithstanding, science fact is constrained by the fact that it is not possible to travel at the speed of light without being pure energy, and that any living or even just robotic payload would thus necessarilly be constrained to traveling at a mere fraction of the speed of light. This would seem to me to necessarilly limit any interstellar research device to a radius of perhaps a few hundred light years at the very most -- too small a radius to allow for any contact with another intelligent life form, excepting an extremely forituitous happenstance. I can't imagine any society, no matter how advanced in its intelligence, that would be willing or able to launch a robotic probe that would travel through space for tens or hundreds of thousands of years, and then radio back its findings. The likelihood that something would go wrong in the interim, causing the device to fail, would just be too great. Also, the likelihood would be that future technological advances would make the device obsolete. Then again, how could they even be certain that anyone would be around by then, or would remember to listen in, or would still be able to understand the message? It is even more improbable that any intelligent being would volunteer for interstellar voyage of more than just a few light years, for the voyage would necessarilly have to become a multi-generational one. The original volunteers would never see their objective, let alone return to their home planet. Nor, for that matter, would their offspring. Any such intelligent beings would inevitably have difficult ethical problems with such a proposition. Such long voyages, in fact, would only possibly be contemplated if colonization of another planet were the objective. If the target planet is uninhabited by other intelligent life froms, such a voyage might perhaps be contemplated. However, the idea that any society of intelligent beings is going to send a massive fleet of ships across vast cosmic distances in a voyage that will take multiple generations, and then expect their descendants to successfully fight a war of anhilation against the entire target planet's population, is pure science fiction, and nonsense at that.

Sorry, but it is unlikely that they are out there, and it is certainly impossible that they have come HERE.

32 posted on 10/11/2002 7:21:09 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
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Hugh Ross in NO Christian. He doesn't follow the teachings of Christ or what is in the Bible. He buys into the millions of years evolution theory where dinasauers were here first and people evolved. He pruposes misreads Genesis to fit HIS theory. He refuses to believe God created in seven days and ignores the order of creation as stated by God.

Please stop reffering to these charltons as "Christians". Hugh Ross is NO Christian. He claims to believe in Jesus but his theories and rantings bear NO resemblence to the teachings of the Bible. NONE!

42 posted on 10/11/2002 7:34:43 AM PDT by nmh
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I fail to see how wild religious speculation on the unexplained is any better than wild scientific speculation.
49 posted on 10/11/2002 7:41:11 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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I always believe religious guys when they speak of things cosmic.


50 posted on 10/11/2002 7:42:48 AM PDT by jlogajan
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bump for later
57 posted on 10/11/2002 8:01:18 AM PDT by mlo
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There are over 1,000 sites where allegedly the UFOs have crashed.

Damn! So much for impressing us with their technology. They should invest in a little quality control.

71 posted on 10/11/2002 9:07:49 AM PDT by Physicist
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bump
85 posted on 10/11/2002 9:44:13 AM PDT by dubyagee
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The existance of ET's is the holy grail to evolution. This is an extremely serious topic for Christians to differentiate themselves from evolutionists.
94 posted on 10/11/2002 9:55:15 AM PDT by biblewonk
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Frankly, I think UFOs are FAR more likely than "demonic involvement". In this article "rational Christian" is totally fallacious. "Irrational fanatic" is more like it.
111 posted on 10/11/2002 11:07:44 AM PDT by jimt
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(Scotty); Whats it look like down there Capt'n.
(Kirk);Beam my ass outa here, energize.
121 posted on 10/11/2002 11:45:30 AM PDT by hosepipe
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