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1 posted on 10/10/2002 8:18:53 AM PDT by Lorenb420
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wealth continues to shift from younger to older...

What a fine time for a Prescription Drug Program for seniors.

2 posted on 10/10/2002 8:27:49 AM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It
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One of the problems with my generation, the Gen Xer's, is that we were raised with the "me, me, me" and "now, now, now" mentality. Far to many of us are overloaded with material goods because we want it now and have saddled ourselves with massive debt instead of putting of instant pleasure for a secure and happy future.

How many of you know Gen Xers who drive $35K to $40K cars and SUVS because they are the cool car to have. Have all the newest and latest expensive electrical gadgets. Have giant TVs and stereos. Like to take exotic and expensive vacations. And then bitch that they don't have any money and their bills are too much.

No wonder that personal bankruptcy is at record highs the past 5 years.

3 posted on 10/10/2002 8:30:39 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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"I had a college president say to me, 'I don't know how much longer I can pull this off because people will start to ask, Is it worth this much money to be that much smarter?' "

Everybody goes to college today because the schools push it. But when you come to think about, many jobs can be done without a college education. As for the above quote about being that much smarter -- are college students that much smarter given what a college education comprises today?

It's pretty sad when you spend a bundle on college and can't get a job in your field or have to settle for a crappy one. Guess it's time to sit down and do some hard thinking about whether an expensive college education is worth it in the long run.
6 posted on 10/10/2002 8:37:55 AM PDT by ladylib
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In addition to all of this other bad luck- generations Jones, X, and Next get to pick up the tab for the free-spending Liberalism of the Baby Boomers! Thanks a lot!!
16 posted on 10/10/2002 9:01:23 AM PDT by Destructor
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Just wait until the boomers vote to up FICA tax to 25%. Then the fit will hit the shan.


BUMP

20 posted on 10/10/2002 9:04:58 AM PDT by tm22721
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Gen X BUMP
21 posted on 10/10/2002 9:05:31 AM PDT by jayef
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Unless you are going to be an engineer or a doctor or some other highly specialized professional, college is a waste of time for most people. And a "liberal arts" degree isn't even worth the parchment it is printed on. It boggles my mind to see people (and parents) pay as much as $60,000 to obtain a "liberal arts" college degree.

I am steering my sons towards technical schools. These are generally 12-18 month schools that teach you a trade where you can go out and make a good living. Such as computer programming or network administration. But it doesn't have to be high tech either. Plumbers, electricians, mechanics and other tradesmen can command salaries that put most corporate cubicle workers to shame.

My wife and I never went to college. I went to a technical institute to learn electronics and my wife went to a technical institute to learn computer programming. Both schools lasted about a year. We've never had issues making a decent living.

37 posted on 10/10/2002 9:18:43 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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This is rather depressing. There is no way I'll manage to save 7.5 million. If my tax rate was reduced I might be able to come close.
42 posted on 10/10/2002 9:21:13 AM PDT by gcraig
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Some of the plight of GenX is simply macroeconomic reality based on being a smaller generation trailing the largest population boom birth-wise in our nation's history. The author Nesbitt touched on this 15-20 years ago. I would not attribute all their plight to their own indulgences. My generation: the boomers, have to be the most self obsessed in our history....and the worst parents.
46 posted on 10/10/2002 9:22:32 AM PDT by wardaddy
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Ideally, someone her age should have at least $100,000 stashed away.

At 32 years old? WTH? How?

I'm 27 and I make fairly good money for my age... barring some windfall, there's no earthly way I could have $100,000 by age 32 without living on bread & water... even then it seems iffy.

49 posted on 10/10/2002 9:24:00 AM PDT by Sloth
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The more I read articles like this, the more credit I give to Strauss and Howe for their book "Generations."

Essentially, they observed generations in American history and showed patterns in their essential nature and the way they are perceived by their contemporaries. They demonstrated that generational "types" repeated in 4 generation cycles.

Their prediction for "Gen-X" was that it would have to bear the brunt of cleaning up the mess left by the baby boomers, and take the lions share of the blame for the mess they didn't create (Incidentally, this harsh depiction isn't mine. It was an image Strauss and Howe repeatedly emphasized, and they're boomers themselves). They would tend to be survivers and pragmatists, rather than idealists. Early disillusionment would lead them to the opinion that they had to take care of themselves, because their society wouldn't do it for them.

Fascinating to see their predictions being borne out as the generation ages.

55 posted on 10/10/2002 9:25:34 AM PDT by Snuffington
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It's not just Gen-X that was set up for a fall. Seniors are coming out of retirement because they have nothing to live on in their "golden" years. Same with the boomers.
57 posted on 10/10/2002 9:25:44 AM PDT by Middle Man
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bump
59 posted on 10/10/2002 9:26:25 AM PDT by VOA
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The free-spending slackers have only themselves to blame,

Yep. LOL!

75 posted on 10/10/2002 9:40:26 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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Ideally, someone her age should have at least $100,000 stashed away.

Really? Let's see:

-Out of college at age 22, can't get a job in your field (accounting), so you work a telemarketing job for 6 months ($6.25 an hour), then a warehouse job for 3 months ($7.00 an hour), then do a 5 month stint as a waiter (around $300 a week). Money saved: $0, and this is living with a roommate and driving a 12 year old car.

-Student Loans start coming due at 23, lucky you get a job as a clerk in an insurance company ($9.50 an hour), and can start saving money. After taxes, FICA and insurance, you take home just under $1200 a month, after 5 years on the job you have have scrimped and saved $12,000.

-You are now 28, and you get a job at H&R Block giving you a starting salary of $32,000 a year. You now have to save and invest another $88,000 in 4 years on this salary to make the "idealized" amount that you should have stashed away. Right.

Not every "Gen-Xer" was a software tycoon, or a dotcom businessman, most followed the path I described above. Karen seems to be a bit low in funds, but I know a lot of 50 year olds who are in the same boat as her. My advise to her: start putting away an extra $20 a week into your 401(k). At 7% annually, you will gain an extra $90,000 in your retirement fund in 28 years. That could make the difference between "surviving" and "living" in retirement.

87 posted on 10/10/2002 9:53:00 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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Bumped and bookmarked for later.
99 posted on 10/10/2002 10:10:55 AM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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Ten years ago grunge musicians and college-age Cassandras who had never held a day job preached that corporate America would crush their generation's soul and leave them without a pension plan.
Not far from the truth - Congressmen funded by corporate donations.
Everything the dot-com boom delivered has been taken away--and then some. Real wages are falling, wealth continues to shift from younger to older, and education costs are surging.
Yes, the greatest generation and baby boomers reminded us who is really in control here.
Halfway to pension age, she has just $5,000 in a 401(k) and $20,000 in home equity. Ideally, someone her age should have at least $100,000 stashed away.
That sounds a little high unless they are talking about the top of the bubble. Some of us were there, but now are off 50-75%. Part of the problem is that people refuse to live within their means. If you simply max out your 401k for the rest of your life, and live modestly on the rest of your income, you will retire comfortably. It's really that simple. Of course we should not be forced to put off marriage, kids, and house to pay for the greatest generation's drugs, social security, cheap imports, etc. while we hop from job to job the rest of our lives trying to avoid layoffs, but that is no excuse for not saving and investing for the future.

102 posted on 10/10/2002 10:15:16 AM PDT by sixmil
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Generation X is the most entreprenuerial generation in the history of the United States. Technology has literally lowered the barriers of entry into most fields, so that if you have a computer, a phone and a fax machine, you can be in business for yourself.

As for the dotcom bust, can you name any entreprenuers who were sucessful the first time out? Anyone who is a risk taker fails. The reason for the failure on such a grand scale was the sheer number of people who started their own businesses while in their 20s and early 30s. IMHO, this colossal failure will serve Gen X well in their late 30s and early 40's.

Now, if we can just stop drinking microbrews, smoking cigars and whining, we'll be 3/4 of the way home.

113 posted on 10/10/2002 10:24:39 AM PDT by bigeasy_70118
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Social Security will start to evaporate as he turns 50--or before, if the lockbox gets raided--so he'll have to depend almost completely on his own savings for retirement.

There is no lockbox. What really matters is the size of the economy in relation to Social Security obligations. Our economy isn't growing and the politicians are either twiddling their thumbs or dunking CEO's in water to see if they'll float.

118 posted on 10/10/2002 10:32:07 AM PDT by Moonman62
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A Gen Xer who makes $100,000 and wants to retire at 59 needs $7.3 million net of taxes to sustain that lifestyle.

Oh, I have got to see the economic model that predicts that a large principal placed into competently chosen low-risk investments will yield an annual return of only 1.37%*. My bank pays almost double that rate on my checking account.

An overestimate, acutally, since it presumes that you need $100,000/year forever and ever, amen.

124 posted on 10/10/2002 10:38:26 AM PDT by steve-b
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