Republicans, All Dressed up, But Nothing More Than Empty Suits

Vanity ^ | 10/09/02 | B. A. Conservative

[Flashman_at_the_charge]

Democrats
People who take money YOU earn and give it to people who didn't earn any to make themselves popular.

[Cold Heat]

Your local politics are your business. I do not get involved in it. Not even in my own state, unless it involves Arkansas constitutional changes or ordinances. All the local polititicos here are democrats. I do not even go to the polls, since I will not cross party lines.

[hchutch]

"We had to destroy the village to save it."

It was bunk when it was said during Vietnam, and it's bunk now.

[sparkydragon]

I don't see how electing someone you believe will erode more rights is going to do anything to help you get them back. B. A. Conservative seems to believe that many, if not most, Republicans are willing to erode some rights in order to keep votes or promote their agendas. As for leaving . . . Do you condemn all who have immigrated to the United States for not standing up for their rights?

Are you saying that in a heavily Democratic area a vote for a Republican is a wasted, useless vote? They have no chance to be elected. Third parties in America traditionally serve the purpose of refocusing the two major parties. What support is drawn by third parties tells the Republicans and/or the Democrats what changes they need to make to their platform in order to attract those voters.

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"Freedom is not the natural state of man, merely the perfect one."

[billbears]

Your local politics are your business. I do not get involved in it. Not even in my own state, unless it involves Arkansas constitutional changes or ordinances. All the local polititicos here are democrats. I do not even go to the polls, since I will not cross party lines.

So by your own admission you look to the national government to solve your needs instead of getting involved at the local and state level. Interesting considering that the men who founded this nation had specific limited responsibilities for the national government, expecting almost all, if not all, issues to be handled by local or state governments. Kind of a new standard or form of government from what the Founders had in mind originally isn't it? Wait a minute, that would be liberal thinking and not conservative

BTW, Arkansas 'politicos', as you put it, are Democrats for an important reason, whether or not they are liberal or conservative. What's happened is that the Democratic party has used that against the locals to get men like Clinton elected

[Neets]

Yes, I know..I just thought I'd give the ole Army try...see if for once, after eleventyseven posts with different titles, but the same wordage throughout he could point us to ONE or even TWO candidates he thought would be worth some weight in gold to vote for.....

[Cold Heat]

So by your own admission you look to the national government to solve your needs instead of getting involved at the local and state level. Interesting considering that the men who founded this nation had specific limited responsibilities for the national government, expecting almost all, if not all, issues to be handled by local or state governments. Kind of a new standard or form of government from what the Founders had in mind originally isn't it? Wait a minute, that would be liberal thinking and not conservative

Now you are pissin me off! I told you that I do not vote in local elections because I will not cross party lines. If there are no republican candidates, I cannot vote in the primaries unless I change to a democrat. I do vote for or against local law changes and the like, as I said!

As to the great things that democraps do, it is illegal in this state to drive in the rain with the with your lights off. Thousands of people are ticketed for not wearing seat belts! A local dem is trying to pass a law that would give you jail time for hitting or misteating your dog! Plus a fine in the 6 figure category.

Yah, sure! Local democraps do great things!

[reformed_democrat]

I will vote straight Republican without hesitation.

That means voting for Nixon, McCain, Duke, Ryan and a lot of other really fine politicions.

Do you prefer Kennedy, Bradley, Byrd, and Blagojavich?

Or are you partial to the Madigan-O'Malley ticket?

[Beenliedto]

Perhaps if you amended your message to not voting blindly, period, you'd get a better response.

You guys just don't get it...

It is YOU who are the sheeple ....

You step up to the ballot box and pull the lever knowing full well that you are not voting a differance of substance, but only a difference of degree.

It is you who blindly vote the party line, hoping that somehow, some way, this magnificant experiment in human government can be sustained.

It is YOU who listen blindly as lie after lie pours out of the mouths of our elected representatives, and then step back into the ballot box and pull the same damned lever again... and again... and again!!

You ought to be ashamed for trying to turn that on those of us who vote on principal.

[mhking]

You ought to be ashamed for trying to turn that on those of us who vote on principal.

What makes you think that we aren't voting on principle? Because we are voting Republican? Because we don't vote on a straight Libertarian ticket? I'm sorry, last I checked, I was the one who had to make my own informed decision after doing the appropriate research into the candidates in the race. I'm the one who gets to make the final decision. I'm the one who stands in the voting booth to make my own vote.

And I'll let you in on something. I supported Harry Browne. I voted for Harry Browne, not once, but twice. I thought I was making a statement on principle. Then Harry went off the deep end. Harry insisted that the war was not about saving lives when it is. Harry put on his tin foil hat, and the rest of the Libertarians rallied around him.

Well, you go right on ahead and rally. I'm done with the LP. Overall, the formal Libertarian party is only one step removed from Lyndon LaRouche and his fanatics.

Do I agree with everything said by the GOP? Of course not! Do I vote lock-step, straight GOP ticket? No, I vote by issue; by candidate. And I vote by who happens to hold the views I have.

But nooooo... You want to come in here and demand that everyone here vote Libertarian. You come in here and insist that because there are people who would rather work within the GOP, that they are plants by the party. You insist that because there are many here who feel that a vote for the LP is a vote wasted. I'll tell ya something. I don't feel that way.

But for you to come in here and lambaste everyone here in general and me in particular is simply out of line. This is a forum for the exchange of ideas and ideologies. This is not a forum for one person to come in and let loose with both barrels, simply because he wants to get his jollies by acting like a complete nincompoop.

Party line? It sounds like you are the one with the "party line." You are following the LP mantra: if anyone disagrees with you, shout them down; the LP is the "way of the future."

No, you have an agenda. No one here is "required" to think a certain way, contrary to your ranting and hand-wringing and whining and crying. You want to act a fool, go right on ahead. You ought to be ashamed of how downright stupid you sound. Go on. Go play. Have fun. The rest of adults are busy trying to bring about positive change to the country.

[hchutch]

Ashamed?

I have voted striaght GOP (save for writing in Ollie North vis-a-vis John Warner in 1996 over Warner's backstabbing of Ollie) ever since I could vote. I have nothing to be ashamed of.

Furthermore, your shots at mhking and rdb3 are WAY off target - I'll admit I might not agree with them on everything, but "sheeple" is so far off target that it borders on slanderous.

We've seen third-party candidates only elect Dems. You ought to be ashamed for trying to lure other conservatives into "feel good" exercises that will do NOTHING to solve the problem, and in fact only make it worse.

[RabidBartender]

"You are following the LP mantra: if anyone disagrees with you, shout them down;"

I have noticed a LOT of that on FR. A few of the posters who claim to be 'libertarian' are downright hostile, nasty, and unable to debate civily. I've become persuaded against the libertarian issues with the help of their posts.

[CyberCowboy777]

You will be lucky if this thread sees 30 minutes. The RBAs (Republicans before Americans) will lobby to kill it.

I guess you where wrong on this.

Could you be wrong about your fellow Freepers who vote Republican?

You have to vote for the best person for the job, that is your civic duty. I have voted for CP and LP and I am not afraid to vote RP.

The bottom line is that we have to vote in the primaries and get Conservative GOPers on the ballots.

Unless you cannot vote in good conscience, at least consider voting for a conservative R, they have the best chance of making a change and it keeps the Ds out of office. They are the ones who want to destroy our country.

And we have to DO something, get involved. Write letters to the editor, run for office, get involved in polling place duties, run for committee positions for your local GOP, put up signs, protest. Finally, Stop fighting about the things we can deal with later. LP, CP and RP agree on basic principles and are close on many issues. If we can come together and make our voices heard, we can get to a place where our differences matter and they can actually be debated. I'd much rather see GOP vs. LP in general elections, I know both really care about the Country and Liberty.

The lack of action and in fighting by the conservative base is the reason the GOP is not more conservative and why we are losing the country.

[steveegg]

I can't argue with what you said. At this point, there is but one solution; hijack the Pubbies so that the we can take the fork, and hope that we can make that turn before the country tumbles down the cliff.

We MAY or MAY NOT survive this election with merely throwing the RATs out and replacing them with Republicans of any stripe just to be rid of the RATs. I do know that, if conservatives don't start winning in droves by 2004 as opposed to the "moderate-to-lieberals" that currently run the party (especially the Senate), we will not avoid that cliff. Given that it takes 6 years for a new party to arise from the ashes of an old party (see the transition from the Federalists to the Whigs, and from the Whigs to the Pubbies), and that we can't survive even 2 nore years of RAT rule (your scenario assumes that the RATs aren't in unchallenged power at all between now and 2016), it is imperative that we take over the Pubbies between now and 2004, make the acronym RINO as applied to such "luminaries" as Trent Lott and Olympia Snowe truthful, and win election after election (starting with the intermediate goal of throwing El Diablo D'Asshole Hussein out of the majority leader's office and keeping Little Dick Gimphardt out of the Speaker's chair this year) with enough of a majority that we can turn the country away from the cliff.

As for me personally, I can't directly influence the overthrow of El Diablo (no Senate races in Wisconsin), but I will be helping with the House (we got rid of a RAT seat in redistricting, and I'll have a conservative Republican instead of a RAT as a Representative come 2003). I'll also be doing my part to keep our "boy governor" (called so because he's politically "tone-deaf", not because he isn't conservative between the "tin ears") Scott McCallum in office against a lying, scheming RAT (example of Jim Doyle (boil, toil and trouble); "I won't raise taxes...", but "...I'll review the sales tax exemptions..." and "I'll lift the school spending caps.")

[Beenliedto]

The worst Republican is better than the best democrat.

One of the most stupid statements I've ever read.

[ffrancone]

What you said!

[woofie]

Call up Ross Perot ...he will fix your car,I think there is a screw loose

[cgbg]

Your post expressed my own sentiments very well.

Here in Connecticut the Republicans (Gov. Rowland, Congr. Johnson, Simmons) are saturating the airwaves with their message.

What is their message?

We have more and better government programs for the elderly, the children, and the cities than our Democratic opponents.

They have convinced me they are liberals. I refuse to vote for any of the Republicans this year.

No, I can't vote for Rats either.

So all that is left to do is crank up the woodstove and pretend that it is politicians of both parties that are being tossed into the fire. :-(

[steveegg]

I hope you're far older than I, because should the RATs get government fully back, the odds of either of us living long or prospering fall rapidly to near zero.

[B. A. Conservative]

My definition of a political conservative is one who believes that the unalienable God-given rights listed in the Declaration of Independence form the fundamental foundation of human rights whether codified in US law or not. And one who believes in the strict interpretation of the US Constitution and where anyone believes the Constitution either silent or ambiguous, you should turn to the Federalist Papers for clarification. In my view, it is corrupt for any man to take the property of one man without his just consent and give it to another man. And I believe the Constitution does not confer that power on government. Specifically, I do not believe government can be empowered to take the property of one man and give it to another man except in payment for goods or services rendered. Nor do I believe government can be empowered to be an insurance provider.