An Ancient Hebrew Inscription in New Mexico - Fact or Fraud?

www.unitedisrael.org ^ | James D. Tabor

[Wrigley]

Hey, maybe Joe was right...

[BubbaJunebug]

All very simple...Charleton Heston parted the Pacific...Edward G. Robinson compalined about his sore feet for such a long walk...only to find that Al Gore found New Mexco first.

[patriot_wes]

....and the answer is---Ephraim, the people of the lost tribes.

Remember Yeshua-Jesus said "I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Well they are those who went out into the world from the Babylonian/Assyrian conflicts (10 of the 12 tribes of Israel(Jacob) about 800-700bce and more fascinating are beginning to see who they are and someday they will be part of the "one stick of Ezekiel" (Ezekiel 37:15-28). It's very amazing!

[M. T. Cicero II]

Right! All of these things have proven to be hoaxes. It should be possible to date the writing by the "sharpness" of the engraving.

[William Terrell]

You missed one, blam.

[dd5339]

Ping

[Thinkin' Gal]

>>>Researcher David Deal, to whom we owe credit for a drawing of the site, has identified the eclipse astronomically as occurring on September 15, 107 B. C. E. I have run that date on a sophisticated computer calendar that does conversions to the ancient Hebrew calendar and surprisingly, that date turns out to fall on Tishri 1st, or Rosh HaShanah of that year—107 B.C.E.! <<<


I pulled this date up on my astronomy program and did not get the same result.

However, there was a solar eclipse on September 29th, -107 (-107 in astronomical calculations - when year zero included - but otherwise considered as 108 BC). Since a solar eclipse did appear in the general time frame, I would hope it (Sept 15) is just a copy error. There was also a hybrid eclipse on September 18 -106 (@0.1%), but looking back through August/Elul, both appear to have been 1 day early for the start of 1 Tishri (phases at 0.0% and 0.1% respectively). They weren't using computer programs back then, but in any case, neither eclipse occurred on the 15th. As far as the data for the 15th goes (FWIW)...


For -106 (107 BC), the moon phase was at 16.9% on 15 September, with 1 Tishri commencing on either the 19th (0.2%) or the 20th (2.4%).

For -107, The moon phase was at 99.9% on 15 September, with 1 Tishri likely commencing on September 30 (0.5%) or on Oct 1 (2.8%).

For -108, te moon phase was at 17.3% on 15 September, with 1 Tishri likely commencing on September 11 (0.3%) or on thw 12th (2.1%).

For -105 (106 BC), it's not close to a new moon either (48.6%).

The asronomical new moon (no moon) typically falls on the eve of the new Hebrew calendar month (or in this instance Erev Rosh Hashanah), so it looks like they kind of fudged the data a bit to align with Rosh Hashanah. It's really a minor issue, but it makes me wonder what else was tweaked to make the data fit a particular theory.

[Thinkin' Gal]

I forgot to include this in the above post:

-0107 Sep 29 15:56 A 71 0.016 0.949 0.6S 60.7W 89 186 06m12s

-0106 Sep 18 23:08 H 81 0.727 1.001 46.9N 149.1W 43 3 00m03s

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE-0199--0100.html

The coordinates indicate area of greatest eclipse. 0.6S 60.7W is in the middle of northern Brazil, 46.9N 149.1W is off in the Pacific, south of Alaska (49th parallel = US /Canadian border).

[Thinkin' Gal]

I meant to add you to the post above.

[LostTribe]

Here's a little more of Ezekial to go with it. {ggg}. -LT

[blam]

"Any update on the ancient remains of a Caucasoid male that the Indians wanted to bury, claiming it was an ancestor, and that the scientists filed in court for right to examine?"

Kennewick Man, The courts just recently ruled for the scientists and further scientific study.

[Congressman Billybob]

Here's your update on the Washington State remains that the Indians wanted to bury but the scientists wanted to study. The court ruled with the scientists. We will find out in due course the genetic and racial makeup of those ancient remains.

Congressman Billybob

Click for "Oedipus and the Democrats"

Click for "Til Death Do Us Part."

Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

[tracer]

Yes, indeed....

[blam]

First Americans

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Have you allowed for Gregorian corrections?

[r9etb]

presented by Dr. Fell

Appropos of absolutely nothing, I am reminded of the following ditty:

I do not like thee, Dr. Fell.
The reason why I cannot tell.
But this I know, I know full well:
I do not like thee, Dr. Fell.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Thor Heyerdahl showed the possibility of Mediterranean peoples sailing to south america. When the Spaniards first entered California, they reported the presence of Chinese traders - who had apparently been trading with the locals for generations. The Vikings obviously knew of the americas. Magellan didn't find the Straits of Magellan by accident.  He was following a map.

The assertion by landlubbers that ancient peoples wouldn't have the skills to navigate the oceans is laughable.  These same landlubbers are given to the view that ancient peoples were afraid to get out of sight of land.  Nothing could be farther from the truth.  Seamen know that they are far safer in blue water than they are near shore.  Most shipwrecks occur near shore.  There were many ancient peoples noted for their seamanship (Phoenicians for example).

[blam]

This is a statue that was uncovered by archaeologists while excavating Olmec (1,000-1,200BC) ruins in Mexico. There were a number of statues recovered at this site, some exhibited Negroid or Asian features. Many were posed in the exact position as the statue above.

[VadeRetro]

Yes, there's some good evidence that Meditteranean civilization made it (on purpose or more likely, not) across the pond before Columbus. Roman-looking amphorae have turned up in Guanabara Bay in Brazil.

But I'm suspicious of putting the Lost Tribes of Israel in the New World. People are always trying to do that.

[blam]

Olmec statue