13 Year Old Boy Shot Outside Bowie, Md. Middle School, Not Known if Sniper Related

CNN Breaking news ^ | 07 OCT 02 | DCBryan1

[DCBryan1]

13 year old boy shot infront of school. Police scanners on!

[Sacajaweau]

The scenerios appear to be very patterned and "practiced", i.e., they have been to all the sites previously.

They regrouped, took care of ordinary business over the weekend and were back on the "job" today...except I think they switched shooters Friday (#7 & #8....just a little different technique....

Sac

[two23]

"I guess I'm clear then....I don't have a coffe table. :) Did buy the latest G&A yesterday

Thanks...I appreciate the smile--

[El Gato]

Your best defence against a sniper is to keep moving.

Or get under/behind solid cover. But I wasn't addressing self defense. Somebody has to get the sniper, or the sniper will get more people It doesn't have to be one of his targets. It can be a bystander. Now the Army would just call in an Apache or a Warthog, but that's a little difficult in this scenario, even if you had them on call. Although a Hog in the rearview mirror would tend to make the sniper(s) a tiny bit nervous, don't you think?

[two23]

Re:post #1943

Regardless of all the ballistic science involved, I do hope the boy does well and also the woman who survived from Friday.

[Sacajaweau]

Don't think #7 was a running scared hit...Connect 7 & 8 and you're close to and Parallel with the east boundary of DC. If they follow their previous pattern, the next hit would be near Suitland/Capitol Heights area. They are circling DC proper on the east at this time...the side of DC with all our major government buildings excepting the Pentagon.

Sac

[185JHP]

The leftists are ready to pounce - LEO types have to be super careful. Anything the govt. does has to be carefully planned, nuanced, and caveated, because people on the left differentiate on the basis of "who got hurt." There are leftists right now more outraged about what happened to stir up these criminals and "cause their anger", than they are outraged over the murders. BTW I saw that "chief" on TV - and I felt a surge of anger at the stupidity of Richard Nixon signing the EO on "affirmative" action.

[El Gato]

New Info from NY Times:

The aunt is nursing chief of the surgical care unit where her nephew will be recovering.

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So she knew darn good and well she needed to get him to an emergency room, STAT, and she did just that, she likely had a good feel for 911 response times too, as well as knowing that the hospital she took him to was very close. She knew that he could be stablised there and moved elsewhere if neeced, which sadly it was. She quite likely saved his life.

[Lord Marshal]

Something about that 30mm chain gun.....not to mention the "other" 16,000 of ordinance....Sure, let him try to shoot it down with his TC!!

[lizma]

It's time for him to die, IMO.

Yikes, for a second I thought you discussing Duncan. Granted I think he needs to be replaced.

Did you catch the former FBI guy doing a personnality profile on WMAL the last 2 days? He's gone from definate white guy to possible muslim in 24 hrs.

This is what Isreal deals with everyday.

God hold them, please.

[Sacajaweau]

That's what I want, a little more topo of the area...The wooded area where you can see two hit sites sounds interesting. God I wish I was there to walk it.

If they haven't figured out where each shot was fired from by now, they're thinking too hard.

Think the early call of the white truck got them off the track but they're back on now.

Someone said the U of Maryland is close by the Thursday series. Heck, in that case, a student could almost be walking the entire scenario on Thursday.

Notice the two last hits were further apart (the two which did not die)...AND on the last day of the week and the first day of the next week (today)....so they went south for the weekend and came back up north on Monday.

Sac

[Sacajaweau]

We keep thinking "working person" as the sniper...but looking at the times, I'm looking at a "student" schedule and more than one....even a small group of buddies (4). I remember the varying hours of those wonderful college times and if you don't show up, no one cares...unlike an employer.

It also could explain the weekend....went to stay with friends (or whatever) as they usually did on weekends.

I'd say they were in excellent physical condition, big hockey fans, quiet, clean...They fit in quite reasonably but defend Muslims when confronted.

Where's the nearest local Mosque??

Sac

[WRhine]

BTW I saw that "chief" on TV - and I felt a surge of anger at the stupidity of Richard Nixon signing the EO on "affirmative" action.

I know what you mean. His performance does not inspire much confidence. I have to wonder how many much more highly qualified candidates were passed over to make room for his allotment. We can only hope he recognizes his own limitations and steps aside when big decisions are made on how to catch this sick piece of human trash.

[185JHP]

It's been reported on the Net that over 2,000 military-type Iraqis were relocated in Oklahoma after Desert Storm. How many of them were disgrumbled when they got there - and what kind of training did they have? Some dots almost connect themselves...

[SteveH]

IF this is Islamic terrorism, I think there are multiple vehicles being driven by various members of the network. That's why there's no reliable leads. Nothing ever looks the same.

If I were LEO I imagine I would be torn by the temptation to wade through the wide variety of possibilities and collected data by using nationality-based profiling.

Back to the question of multiple getaway cars, that is certainly a possibility, but the larger the group and the larger the materiel, the more attention one attracts. In the OKC bombing, for example, IIRC many people recalled *two* Ryder trucks and multiple drivers moving and locating together, in some detail. The witnesses probably remembered more rather than less due in part to the size of the operation.

Also the larger the network of operatives working together, the greater the danger of exposure due to the weakest link. Security and secrecy is maximized by keeping the cells as small as possible and operating independently without knowledge of or links with each other.

[Travis McGee]

The weapon could be anything from a TC Contender Pistol to a bull barrel 22-250 bolt gun from 600 yards.

Or, both, if the sniper was really devious.

[Judith Anne]

No school that I know of has ANY IV meds or fluids.

[aristeides]

From this morning's Washington Post story:

Meanwhile yesterday, in the District, where one of the slayings took place, Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said that police dogs trained to sniff out gunpowder or explosive residue were "alerted" to a wall about 80 yards from the site where Pascal Charlot, 72, was shot to death Thursday night in Northwest.

The wall bears the sign for Northminster Presbyterian Church, at the nearby corner of Alaska Avenue and Kalmia Road NW.

Pastor Leonard Lassiter said that police told him Sunday that they would be "exhaustively" checking the five-foot wall, and possibly removing bricks to test them. The wall sits under a tree, in a fairly dark area with a clear line of sight to the well-lighted corner where Charlot was killed with a single shot about 9:20 p.m.

I can't say I ever remember noticing this wall. Does it ring any bells in your mind?

[dmz]

of course there is a difference between vigilantism and mutual self-defense. I think also that it's easy enough for one to descend into the other, which is probably not a good thing (although in this particular case is very tempting to consider - given that i have 3 kids in school)