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13 Year Old Boy Shot Outside Bowie, Md. Middle School, Not Known if Sniper Related
CNN Breaking news ^ | 07 OCT 02 | DCBryan1

Posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:23 AM PDT by DCBryan1

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To: All
WMAL: discussion on whether this is about to become a federal case.
1,781 posted on 10/07/2002 3:13:45 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: DugwayDuke
So far we've had shooting's at grocery store, craft store, several gas stations, and a school. If it is terrorism, I'd be careful around Churches and Theaters.
1,782 posted on 10/07/2002 3:14:29 PM PDT by Lord Marshal
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To: Thane_Banquo
I was under the impression that we used the larger 7.62mm round in 'Nam and switched later to the 5.56mm pea shooter.

The switch occurred fairly early on. But the first units did deploy with the M-14, some switched in country, without having had any training in use of the M-16, other than what time could be spared then and there.

1,783 posted on 10/07/2002 3:16:19 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: My Favorite Headache
http://www.msnbc.com/news/816566.asp?0na=x2101652-

WHITE HOUSE WATCHES

White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said federal authorities — the attorney general, Treasury Department and the BATF — have been “very involved on the ground and have lent support and equipment.”

Asked if there was any evidence that this is a terrorist at work, Fleischer replied: “I’ve not heard anything like that, but the fact of the matter is that people are trying to determine who the shooter is, or shooters are, and we continue to help local officials in that endeavor.”

Montgomery County’s schools had expected to resume a regular schedule Monday, but after the shooting, outdoor and after-school activities were canceled.

1,784 posted on 10/07/2002 3:20:33 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Catspaw
The DC metro area has some unique mobility features not common elsewhere. There are an awful lot of cul-de-sacs, and it's hard to get to A from B by backroads. It is very "planned" and unnatural in how it is developed -- the planning of shopping districts and business districts makes them harder to get in and out of than other places.

However the cul-de-sac and limited access nature of the traffic planning means a get-away that starts on foot can put the perp a few minutes and miles ahead of any pursuit.

I guessed that the shooter was running out of area before the weekend, but that guess didn't pan out, and he's still doing brownian motions around DC.

1,785 posted on 10/07/2002 3:20:56 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
BTTT for later
1,786 posted on 10/07/2002 3:25:36 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: MrB
but they aren't dieing to get to paradise yet

That should be arranged however, ASAP!

1,787 posted on 10/07/2002 3:27:47 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Clean_Sweep
The tumbling effect was caused by the inadequate stabilization of the 1:14 rifling used in the initial M-16. I stand corrected. I had forgotten they made this modification. However my point that the round is not designed to tumble remains unchanged.

In the above post I assume you're refering to the old M193, 55 grain FMJ; you are correct, about the tumbling. There is also an interesting fact regarding the new military issue ammo, the 62 grain M855. The M855 contains a steel penetrator. It the bullet hits something hard, such as bone, the penetrator may separate, and the rear part of the bullet takes on the characteristics pre-expanded hollow point.

1,788 posted on 10/07/2002 3:28:24 PM PDT by Lord Marshal
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To: Dog
This is just a roundtable discussion...no problem.

We just have different instincts.

Sac

1,789 posted on 10/07/2002 3:28:34 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
:-)
1,790 posted on 10/07/2002 3:29:15 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Ryzaroo
I think it might be time for some very brave and vigilant people to organize (or do it on their own) some type of neighborhood watch system where people station themselves in their cars in shopping center/mall/gas station/school/theater parking lots and keep their eyes peeled for "suspicious" vehicles and people. A pair of binoculars might help. Of course, on the other hand, people might think you're the suspicious one and call the cops on you, LOL! Still, it's an idea worth looking into.

These people were shot while doing their everyday business. Nobody was paying attention to their surroundings--which you shouldn't have to watch out for snipers while walking out to your car anyway. But now we know what's going on. A "neighborhood" watch would be a good idea, I think.

1,791 posted on 10/07/2002 3:35:02 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: miyamoto
Best way to catch a sniper is to use a sniper!

Or in this case, lots of them. In calmer times they would be known as deer hunters, CMP participants or other long range target shooters.

You need lots of them because there aren't enough police to cover every possible, or even all the more likely public targets.

1,792 posted on 10/07/2002 3:36:32 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: browardchad
You have some good points, especially this one. There's been much talk from TV "experts" about the shooter having to know traffic patterns to get around so quickly during the Montgomery county shootings on Thursday. Someone who's worked as a cab driver, or a delivery or service company person is capable of figuring out shortcuts and "best routes" in a given area quickly. The concentration in Montgomery County may have simply presented the best opportunity, or simply an area familiar to the killer, but not necessarily his residence.

The worst vulnerability of the suburbs (my home got hit in a daylight robbery) is quick access to main roads and freeways.

There *are* places in the suburbs that are not close to main roads. I'll bet these guys are avoiding such places like the plague. If so, it shows experience and foresight in criminal activity: either these guys have done it before, or they have been trained. Since the overall pattern is relatively unusual in the criminal landscape, I would place somewhat more emphasis on the latter.

With quick proximity of the crime scene to a major thoroughfare, the criminal does *not* imho need any expert knowledge of the area, he just needs a fast car, although quick familiarization with weekday traffic patterns and local landmarks would be handy. But that can come with a day's worth of driving around before committing the crime(s).

The guys were possibly holed up in a motel, where anonymous comings and goings at all hours are routine. Campgrounds are relatively deserted at this time of year, and if they stayed overnight in their van, they would stick out smell-wise in the general public (and they don't want to stick out at all). I would imagine the motel they would choose would be about a one hour drive to maximize the chance of avoiding a motel check by the authorities-- chance increases with square of distance so the longer drive, the better the investment from their point of view. The motel would be a budget motel so their (working class casual) dress would not stand out there.

I have learned not to take police profiles at face value. I once worked with a guy who was a dead ringer for the Unabomber profile with certain exceptions such as age. I held off contacting authorities just because I believed I knew him well enough that it would have been a false alarm. Later they caught the real Unabomber and he matched my former colleague, including the discrepancies from the official profile. So much for official profiles as far as I am concerned-- one is almost better off developing it from the raw evidence revealed to the public presuming enough is revealed to come up with something halfway decent.

1,793 posted on 10/07/2002 3:38:25 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: areafiftyone
But this is so wierd if this was terrorists wouldn't they be doing it in other states too?

Not necessarily, the terror cells have likely gone into a "leaderless" mode, after being disrupted by the round ups following 9-11-01. This may be a cell of two, having got the "OK to engage" signal from whoever and wherever.

1,794 posted on 10/07/2002 3:39:28 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: SteveH
Would you check nearby firing ranges?
1,795 posted on 10/07/2002 3:40:52 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: wimpycat
Most people have pretty good instincts and feel foolish reporting something imaginative??

What people have to realize is the what they "notice" is something out of order.

Make the call and let the authorities decide what is going on.

Sac

1,796 posted on 10/07/2002 3:41:16 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau; Donald Stone; Joe Montana
Montgomery County press conference: U.S. Attorney DiBiaggio is there. I wonder why.
1,797 posted on 10/07/2002 3:42:18 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
US Attorney??
1,798 posted on 10/07/2002 3:43:28 PM PDT by Dog
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To: aristeides
He sent a letter to Ashcroft...
1,799 posted on 10/07/2002 3:44:05 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
He is asking for help......

OMG!

1,800 posted on 10/07/2002 3:44:46 PM PDT by Dog
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