[Uncle Miltie]

Question to my Right Wing Christian Brethren:

What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?

60 Minutes made it sound like prophecy drove the support. Is that true?

Please advise. Hard-right-wing Jews want to know....

[agrace]

The media always hypes up the prophecy angle, which is pretty insulting to Christians and Jews alike. They make it sound like Christians are basically using Jews and Israel as a means to an end, that we support Israel because of what Israel can give to US, namely the apocalypse via fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

The truth is (keeping in mind that of course there are some Christians out there who do fit the media mold), we love and support the Jews and Israel because God loves them, has a permanent covenant with them, because He will never break His promises to them (and subsequently us), because the very existence of Israel is an awesome testament to HIS very existence and the truth of His Word, because He says He is not finished with them, and because they have suffered much for our sake.

Also, I believe that for most Christians, God has put a love for His people in our hearts. I certainly feel that to be true for myself.

Not to mention the fact that from a purely secular, political, social standpoint, I've done enough research to strongly believe that Israel gets shafted on a regular basis. :)

[Dubya]

What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?

In the Bible prophecy is there and its from God and it will come true no matter who beleives it or not. The Christians and everyone else should be supporting Israel because of Jewish/Christians values (Morality)

No one in their right mind can beleive the Muslims have have any values that are accepted by God.

[Dubya]

When this world winds down to that last big war, IMO it will be between the Muslims and Jews and the Christians. It will not be between Countries.

One large group of people who claim to be Christians have a Human leader who has already said they worship the same God as the Muslims. If that is true then it want be long before the Rapture and the Fireworks that follow.

I'm sure I will get blowed out about this but thats OK. I'll survive.

Hope I have helped in some way.

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[Darheel]

'Christian support for Israel'

Jesus was a Jew, so that's about 100%. Then there's all the history, Roman occupation, Crusades, so that's another 100%. Then there's the terrible sympathy we feel, our dads and grandfathers fighting and defeating the Nazis, liberating death camps, there's another 100%. Now Israel, reconstituted and backed by America, God-fearin' nation that it is, tack on another 100%...

[chuckles]

....What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality? ....

As a Christian, we believe we have been adopted or "grafted in the Vine(Jesus). I have all the rights and privleges of a child of the King. We believe that we will rule and reign with Jesus in the Mellinium. We are told to pray for the peace of Jurusalem.

Now is when it gets tough(for some). I believe(others disagreee) God chooses his people. I have been pre- destined from the foundation of the world to be His. The Jews were chosen to reveal the Oracles of God to the world. The Jews are not saved by this, but are considered His people. Whether you belive Jesus was Mesiah or not, The Jews revealed Him to mankind. I'm not so connected to the Jews as I am Israel. Jesus made it plain that some Pharasee's would go to hell if they weren't reborn. The whole world must look to the Jewish culture, writings, etc. to find God because they are chosen to reveal Him. We learn things like ; follow God=blessed, dis God=not blessed. I believe the Jews will be rewarded that were faithfull in their beliefs and Jesus will be revealed to them. I believe as a dead person, The Holy Spirit MUST reveal Jesus to you or you will never find Him, as you are dead. There are some references that say "All Israel will be saved" and there is one in Zach 11(I think) that makes reference to a breaking of the bonds and covenents when the Jews rejected Jesus. Ya got me on that one. I just believe that God is interested in what happens to Israel so I am too. I believe the Jews own the land over there and the deed is in Genesis.Orthodox Jews have everything they need to find Jesus in the Torah.If they would read the New Testament, I can't believe they couldn't see Jesus as Mesiah. Like I said, The Holy Spirit is our teacher and reveals Jesus in the Scriptures.

As a secular twist, I think the Jews are smart, industrious, and strong people. I would never bet against them.

P.S. Anyone claiming to be a Christian and anti-Semetic, is a liar. Not possible.Jesus was a Jew. He claimed them as His people. First the Jew and then the Gentile.The Jews for Jesus prefer to be called "Believers". Abraham was considered by God to be a rightious man just because he believed God. Noah also,because he belived God. When God said, at the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan river, "This is My Son, In whoom I;m well pleased.", do you believe God? You can never be rightious enough for God if you think he is a liar.

[DaughterofEve]

I watched that segment last night...what in the world did you think of the very last closing statement that basically said that God had to be taken out of the equation in order for the Jews to survive as a people...it sounded pretty blasphemous to me!

[wgeorge2001]

"What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?"
All of it. The Bible clearly states that Israel will be the place where the Lord Jesus Charist will
rule and reign from during the 1000 years kingdom age following the tribulation period; Revelation 20:1-10
and Zechariah 14:1-20 are among the bible chapters and verses that answer your questions along with many of
the old testament prophets including Isaiah, Jeremiah,Ezekiel ,Daniel and others.
Morally, we support Israel because the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob made a covenant with Abraham
giving him and his seed the land and a people forever; see Geneisis 12:1-7 and 13:14-17.
The Lord has and is and will use Israel to fulfill all prophecy becuase He has chosen them to be a people
who He works through to bring in the final age of this old and dying world. Please search the scriptures to verify.

[wgeorge2001]

"What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?"
All of it. The Bible clearly states that Israel will be the place where the Lord Jesus Christ will
rule and reign from during the 1000 years kingdom age following the tribulation period; Revelation 20:1-10
and Zechariah 14:1-20 are among the bible chapters and verses that answer your questions along with many of
the old testament prophets including Isaiah, Jeremiah,Ezekiel ,Daniel and others.
Morally, we support Israel because the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob made a covenant with Abraham
giving him and his seed the land and a people forever; see Geneisis 12:1-7 and 13:14-17.
The Lord has and is and will use Israel to fulfill all prophecy becuase He has chosen them to be a people
who He works through to bring in the final age of this old and dying world. Please search the scriptures to verify.

[johnb838]

What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?

My support is based on morality.

If the prophecy turns out to be true... what can any of us do about it? If Jesus comes in His Glory and the Jews realize we've been right all along any disagreement over conversion would be moot.

But bottom line I support Israel no matter what happens. Because they are the people of David and the Goliath of islam is trying to revisit the holocaust on them and I will not allow that if it is in my power to prevent.

NEVER AGAIN

[Michael2001]

What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?

You're ignoring the fact that the two are related. The right thing to do is always also the Christian thing to do.

[watchin]

What proportion of Conservative Christians support for Israel is based on prophecy versus morality?

And the answer is: C.

I think most conservative Christians base their support on the fact that the Bible claims that the Jews are God's people, so that "he who touches you(Jews) touches the apple of His(God's) eye", and "He that blesses you(Jews) I(God) will bless, and he that curses you I will curse."

So prophecy is interesting, and morality is crucial, but the primary motivation is obeying God's command.