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Florida's Independent Candidate Bob Kunst Sounds Off...[Gay candidate Kunst blasts "McBush"]
gaytoday ^ | Sept. 30, 2002 | Jack Nichols

Posted on 10/06/2002 11:04:01 AM PDT by summer

War & Subversion Mark the Bush Brothers' Election Strategies

Republicans Masquerading as Democrats in the Sunshine State

Florida's Independent Candidate Bob Kunst Sounds Off...


By Jack Nichols

Excerpt: ...independent gubernatorial candidate Bob Kunst continues to speak ...

Kunst has recently been quoted in a number of Florida newspapers. Following Friday's Bush-McBride debate, Central Florida's ABC News television affiliate in Orlando carried Kunst's commentary, daring the "dull" candidates to include him in their debates.

…Kunst told GayToday, "Jeb Bush now faces off against me-since I'm still on the ballot and Janet Reno isn't-and against a Faux Democrat who ought to be called McBush (i.e. instead of McBride).

"Nobody seems to wonder where this Phony McBush Democrat came from," notes Kunst warily.


"He had no name-recognition before Jeb's TV commercials gave it to him. He's a lawyer and his firm donated $100,000 to the GOP. He [McBride] also helped engineer the hijacking of Election 2000 by finding Jeb that Texas firm that was supposed to purge voter rolls properly, but expunged 57,000 legitimate voters that have yet to be replaced.

"If McBush was really a good Democrat why would he want to take the spotlight away from Janet Reno, anyway? She had, at least, name recognition. He didn't. He's also a very poor debater,
as that boring, exclusive face-off they shared on Friday showed us, and he appears to be running, like Jeb, as a puppet of the corporations, instead of being somebody who incarnates a genuine commitment.

"McBush's only idea for raising more cash for the state's failing educational system is stupid. To tax Florida's cigarette smokers? What kind of 'smart politics' is that? He's just lost the smokers, that's for sure. He is planning to lose. He's just another Republican in Democrats' clothing."

Kunst offered his own remedy for raising $23 billion for Florida on ABC-TV News....

Kunst, who found himself facing very few Florida Democratic Party operatives who'd allow him to speak prior to the September 10 primary, is now being accused by them - by virtue of being on Florida's November 7 gubernatorial ballot-of drawing votes away from Democratic primary "winner" Bill McBride.

Miami Herald columnist Jim Defede wondered on September 24, however, about the entire McBride phenomenon:

"His conduct in the days immediately following the primary was disgraceful, and his belief he was being honorable by waiting two whole days before declaring himself the victor makes his behavior all the more egregious.

"When South Florida voters -- especially black voters in Miami-Dade County -- were being disenfranchised, when they were being told for the second time in two years that their votes weren't going to be counted, McBride was busy penning his victory speech."

Tyler Bridges, also representing the Miami Herald, is already proclaiming that the "Education issue keeps Bush ahead," while Peter Wallsten (Miami Herald, September 29) tells us that Bill McBride is out of sync with a major Democratic constitunency, namely African-Americans, much-needed for any Democratic win.

He cites a recent poll in the African-American community showing 25% who'd otherwise vote as Democrats plan to vote for Bush.

He writes:

"For a variety of reasons that were all perfectly avoidable, the new Democratic nominee for governor is just now introducing himself to his party's most important voters -- the voters who will have to turn out in huge numbers for him to beat Jeb Bush in six weeks.

"For a man who actually believed long ago that he would be the nominee, one would think he would have wanted to at least attempt to forge a friendship…McBride grew up in segregated Leesburg in Central Florida and admittedly didn't have a lot of contact with black folks on the other side of town."

Bob Kunst found that African-American voters in North Florida believed that McBride had stolen the September 10 primary.


Kunst fervently believes that many top Democratic Party leaders in Florida are actually willing pawns of the corporatocracy "every bit as much as are the Republicans. We need a rebirth of the Democratic Party in Florida and across the nation," he told GayToday. "We need to be the new Democrats. The old Democrats are Republicrats -rats-who'll sell us down the river. You noticed on the national level how timid they've been. They're on the take from the corporatocracy, that's why they're so damned timid." ....


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: flgovrace; florida; jebbush
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To: PJ-Comix
Sounds like an optimistic guy. Here's his campaign slogan:

Jesse "The Body" Ventura won Minnesota

Bob "The Mouth" Kunst can win Florida!

21 posted on 10/06/2002 12:01:56 PM PDT by summer
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22 posted on 10/06/2002 12:04:05 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: summer
Kunst means 'art' in German.
23 posted on 10/06/2002 12:11:11 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Jabba the Nutt
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
24 posted on 10/06/2002 12:18:01 PM PDT by summer
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
LCS, I really think Bob Kunst should be in the next two gov debates, since he too is a candidate. What do you think?
25 posted on 10/06/2002 12:19:26 PM PDT by summer
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To: an amused spectator; Richard Poe
FYI. :)
26 posted on 10/06/2002 12:19:50 PM PDT by summer
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Dales
Check this out, from Bob Kunst's web site, linked above:

Please carefully read this latest polling. We have 1% with only 15% knowing of our existence. They haven't connected with our platform and us, where 48% would make that vote.

... 60% believe we have the right to be heard and in the debates.

...

Varga Research Poll

Results through September 25, 2002

9. If you were aware of a quality third party candidate with a better plan for governing Florida on the November 5 ballot, would you consider voting for this candidate?

Frequency Percent
Yes 217 53.8%
No 139 34.5%
Don't know 47 11.7%
Total 403 100.0%

9_1. Should a 3rd party candidate be included in the upcoming televised gubernatorial debates?

Frequency Valid Percent
Yes 39 60.0%
No 19 29.2%
Don't know 7 10.8%
Total 65 100.0%

9a. If the election for Governor were held tomorrow and the following candidates were on the ballot, which candidate would you vote for? (AIDED)

Frequency Percent Jeb Bush/Frank Brogan (Repub) 212 52.6%
Bill McBride (Democrat) 138 34.2%
Bob Kunst/Linda Miklowitz (Independent) 4 1.0%
Undecided 48 11.9%
Other (DO NOT READ) 1 .2%
Total 403 100.0%

10. Are you aware of the 3rd party candidate for governor, Bob Kunst and his political platform?

Frequency Percent
Yes 61 15.1%
No 342 84.9%
Total 403 100%.0

11. Would you support a 3rd party candidate for governor with ALL OF the following goals...?

Frequency Percent
Yes 193 47.9%
No 152 37.7%
Don't know 58 14.4%
Total 403 100.0%

27 posted on 10/06/2002 12:27:22 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Kunst after describing debate on website:

"And while all of this blather left the masses comatose, in Miami-Dade, a gathering of trainees for the Nov. election, are still waiting for the trainers to show up to train them, for they didn't show. So much for protecting Round III of Stolen Elections."

Interesting tidbit. Does anyone know if it's accurate?

28 posted on 10/06/2002 12:36:21 PM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime; Ragtime Cowgirl
I read something about that - RC, are you the one who posted that article about the poll workers?
29 posted on 10/06/2002 12:47:51 PM PDT by summer
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To: gop4me
Here's a candidate you may not have previously considered in the FL gov race.
30 posted on 10/06/2002 12:55:08 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Hey summer, about this "purging" business KH offers a great explanation of it in her book. It was well known that purging always creates "false positives" because of alibis fake names, etc. so county supervisers were given a handbook on how to go over their list of felons in the county and make sure they were really felons. They were forewarned by the state. All responsiblity and rights in regards to felons and control over voting rights and rolls were given to the local boards. You can read it in KH's book which is available at amazon.com: "Center of the Storm"
31 posted on 10/06/2002 1:05:23 PM PDT by katherineisgreat
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To: summer
The real question is why gay men don't like Bush...

... no wait, don't answer that.

32 posted on 10/06/2002 1:31:18 PM PDT by jz638
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To: summer

33 posted on 10/06/2002 1:47:02 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: summer; PJ-Comix; windchime
summer, I agree that the Democrats did what they could to hurt Janet Reno and help Bill McBride. When they destroy each other it's best to stay out of the way, I say. (^:

If you are interested in the pre-primary poll problems (hee), do a FR search, keyword "Broward" and another with "Oliphant". FR kept up with Broward (thanks, PJ-Comix).

Miriam Oliphant fired the experienced workers, put her "friends" in, didn't hire or train workers, was unavailable to her workers on election day so problems couldn't be addressed, lost $500,000.00 or so of the state funds entrusted to her for the Broward County election. McAuliffe, Clinton, Gore, Lieberman and the party bigwigs in Fla. were helping McBride...but the #1 reason, the Dem. attack on Reno smoking gun, imho...is the involvement of Alcee Hastings, both before and after election day.

Check out these comments from Alcee Hastings in the SP Times last June:

Conventional wisdom has Janet Reno sweeping the black vote, but two of Florida's three black members of Congress, all Democrats, are not hopping on the Reno bandwagon.

"Janet Reno can't win," said U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings of Broward County, a Reno stronghold. "I told her that if she hadn't seen Waco burning enough, Bill Clinton kissing Monica enough, and Elian being snatched enough, then she should run for governor." He favors Bill McBride.

Link

The Sun Sentinel adds this after the election:

U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, said nothing Oliphant is accused of rises to the level of misdeeds he thinks were committed by former Secretary of State Katherine Harris in the 2000 election. He said Bush would face the wrath of black voters in the November election if he removes Oliphant.

"I dare the governor to remove her," Hastings said. "He'll create a firestorm that will eclipse the one he created in the One Florida plan. He'll need Katherine Harris to count the votes for him again."



Instead of firing Ms. Oliphant after the primary, Jeb, as you know O.K.ed Broward's solution...to assemble a "commission" to 'oversee' the election....Ms. Oliphant is happy, claiming she chose the members. Guess who's in charge? One of Alcee Hastings top aids.

DemocRATS.

34 posted on 10/06/2002 1:50:49 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: summer
summer, on election day they'll be in McBride's column. I do, however, think Bush will do a little better among blacks than Republicans generally do. McBride will still do about as well as Democrats usually do among non-Cuban Hispanics, Homosexuals and Jews. Where McBride will do better than most Democrats is in North Florida and the Panhandle, especially if he can alleviate the fears of 2nd Amendment supporters.
35 posted on 10/06/2002 2:36:04 PM PDT by caltrop
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
My response may be a little late, but the Alcee Hastings aide is a Pubbie named Art Kennedy and is a very honorable person. When I lived in Broward Co and was on the executive committee, the dirty dems tried to shove through a tax on gas supposedly to fund schools. Meanwhile their multi million dollar crystal palace of a school board building loomed over the city. Art Kennedy along with the Vice Chair of the Broward GOP at that time (Barbara Collier) worked together so well with help from the Christian Community, that they beat the hell out of them something like 68-32 percent. Like I told Art at the time. 'I will not hold it against you who you work for". He smiled graciously. If anyone can clean up bubblebrain Oliphant's doo doo, he can.
36 posted on 10/06/2002 3:02:35 PM PDT by samantha
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To: samantha
Thank you, samantha for your insight. Mr. Kennedy's loyalty towards Alcee Hastings is a mystery, but I'll take your word for it that he's an honorable man.

Do you think he knows what Alcee's been saying about GW, Jeb and Republicans over the years?

37 posted on 10/06/2002 4:32:56 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: summer
I met Bob Kunst years ago during the Anita Bryant "Save the Children" thing, when I lived on Miami Beach.
He used to make such outrageous statements that even the gay rights organizations had to disassociate themselves from him.

He then started some pro-Jewish organization where he basically ran around calling people Nazis...then of course he started the "Oral Majority". LOL

He's way out in left field if you ask me, but if he sucks votes away from McBride...I'm all for it!

38 posted on 10/06/2002 5:21:37 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: summer
A friend of mine who is gay told me Kunst has already won the votes of many gays in FL.

Sounds like outright bigotry to me. I guess I should be sure to only check off the white, straight, male candidate when I vote. Since it's looking like the usual practice with other "peoples" of different diversities - which we must celegbrate, of course...

39 posted on 10/06/2002 5:28:25 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
late response again thanks to laundry and football. To answer your question, Yes I believe he hears all that garbage from ex impeached Federal Judge Hastings,but probably lets it roll off his back. After all, we are talking about Broward County,where the democriminals rule. He could have it worse,he could be working for one of the looniest,mean,nasty nutty & out of control US Reps (Peter Deutsch). Oooh, it makes me shiver at the thought.
40 posted on 10/06/2002 5:31:24 PM PDT by samantha
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