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MD shooting update: Shell found in VA is a .223 caliber, shooting in DC now linked too
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Posted on 10/04/2002 7:21:58 PM PDT by newsperson999

A shell was found near that shooting this afternoon in VA that was found to be a 223 cal fired from a high powered rifle..also test confirm that the man that died in DC last night also died from the same type of ammo..


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
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To: Redbob
found one site that had 223 caliber rounds from israel, russia, and the US. This is all very sad.

Can someone explain how the DC Metro police, FBI, Secret Service, and various other law enforcement agencies can not locate a truck the size pictured? For one thing, it's not exactly a vehicle that can "blend-in" and "disappear". Secondly, there can't be very many of those vehicles licensed in Virginia or Maryland. Since it is the size of a vehicle which Freeper bloggers have conjectured could be used for terrorism; this event doesn't exact give me confidence in either weapons indiction or control of WMD in our borders!

42 posted on 10/04/2002 7:39:54 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: LibWhacker
He's probably firing from the cab. Sounds like he screwed the pooch and lost the brass on this one.
43 posted on 10/04/2002 7:40:06 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Redbob
coyote killin'
44 posted on 10/04/2002 7:40:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: bonesmccoy
I think Military!!

So will my shooter!!

45 posted on 10/04/2002 7:41:35 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Prodigal Son; El Gato
New info here.
46 posted on 10/04/2002 7:42:16 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: jwalsh07
Yep, I've believed all along we have something like that . . . Perhaps one guy driving, one guy shooting out of a small screened opening in the back.
47 posted on 10/04/2002 7:43:21 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: bonesmccoy
" I sure hope the liberal left doesn't use this incident to argue in favor of gun registration"

That train has already left the station-the media is slyly bringing that aspect into their reporting.I heard somone say today on tv, that this shows that there are too many guns in the US. Prime suspects, according to the press,are those with military or police training and those that frequent gun clubs-ie: legal gun owners. Watch the Democrats try and make this a campaign issue.
48 posted on 10/04/2002 7:43:23 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: FreeNot
They're the same, I thought . . . 5.56mm = 0.223in, or something like that.
49 posted on 10/04/2002 7:44:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: bonesmccoy
My Ruger Mini-14 is a .223.


50 posted on 10/04/2002 7:44:49 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: sissyjane
You are correct...

I meant expended shells show the shooting point...

victim shows the end point...

ballistic science can do wonderful things!!

51 posted on 10/04/2002 7:44:49 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: FreeNot
.223 vs 5.56
52 posted on 10/04/2002 7:45:15 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: LikeLight
8 dead? I count 6, the 5 in Montgomery Co. yesterday and the day before, and now the guy in D.C. last night. Are there others?
53 posted on 10/04/2002 7:45:42 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Robert_Paulson2; AnAmericanMother
I recall in medical school that our trauma center chief was trying to tell the class about the difference between "hi caliber" and "high velocity".

It looks like the .223 is NOT high caliber, but it IS high velocity.

The high velocity gun shot wounds have variable rates of survival, primarily predicated upon the site of trauma. Obviously, if a major artery or vessel is severed, you're dead. On the other hand, I recall seeing multiple patients as a lowly medical student and watching the heroic trauma surgeons saving life. I remember one patient where the intern was showing me how to clean bullet wounds and attempt to identify the location of the round in the body. The patient was talking to us and we stuck a long cotton tipped swab into his neck wound... As this 4 inch long swab went in one end, the intern realized...it kept on going through his neck... right through the other side! It was cool... the patient lived too (too bad he was just another inner city gang banger type).

54 posted on 10/04/2002 7:47:18 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: jwalsh07
He's probably firing from the cab. Sounds like he screwed the pooch and lost the brass on this one.

Since they did not recover the brass before this, I thought he was using a bolt action. Now I am not so sure. However, Fredericksburg is near Quantico and Ft. AP Hill, so I would not be surprised to hear they found .223 brass there.

55 posted on 10/04/2002 7:47:30 PM PDT by relee
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To: Fred Mertz; tgslTakoma
The scene of the killing last night (Georgia Ave. and Kalmia Rd.) isn't much more than a mile from where I live in Takoma Park.
56 posted on 10/04/2002 7:47:57 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: bonesmccoy
Rest assured the gun grabbers are drooling for the chance to do just that!
57 posted on 10/04/2002 7:48:12 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: LikeLight
How could the guy in D.C. have been shot with a .223 cal. assault rifle when they are illegal in D.C. /sarcasm.
58 posted on 10/04/2002 7:48:31 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: aristeides
If the Fredericksburg one is a .223, that makes 7, right?

Is the VA one related yet?
59 posted on 10/04/2002 7:48:32 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: FreeNot
How come 5.56 is smaller than .223? I don't get it

It's not. 5.56 generally refers to a .223 made to NATO specs, whereas .223 generally refers to the .223 Remington cartridge, specifically. There is a subtle difference between the two, and between a .223 Rem chamber and a 5.56 NATO chamber. Here's a little explanation from Armalite:

223 Remington (SAAMI standard) and 5.56mm (NATO standard) rifle chambers are almost identical. The difference is largely limited to the “freebore,” the cylindrical space in front of the case mouth, and the “lead” or “leade,” the tapered region that eases the bullet into full engagement with the rifling. NATO and SAAMI cartridges can normally be used interchangeably with no problem.

The SAAMI chamber features a less freebore and a tighter leade, which normally provide better bullet fit and match-grade accuracy than the NATO chamber. It is wonderfully suited to match bullets.

60 posted on 10/04/2002 7:49:14 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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