Terror link to Maryland shootings? Experts divided whether killing spree work of al-Qaida

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 4, 2002

[C-Note]

Sorry, but you are WRONG. AK-47 and AKM were designed and produced in 7.62x39 ONLY. You are correct about the 74. Please give up before you are swamped with replies just like mine.

[5by5]

I agree that "advanced markmenship training" isn't required. But some level of training or practice is.

I've shot a lot of prairie dogs beyond 100 yards with a .22.
Lot's of folks are good enough shooters to place bullets into targets (or animals) at that range. But doing it to a human is something I can safely say, most of us could not do. And to do it one after another while driving around looking for victims is on another level again. That takes both a certain level of technical proficiency and psychological fortitude.

I know I don't have it--I get rattled when I shoot anything bigger than a rabbit. Lots of cops are a mess after shooting someone too so I don't think we can assume that it's merely an exercise in markmanship with a minimal amount of training.

I don't intend to glorify the shooter's actions--not for a minute. But neither should we assume that most any garden- variety psycho is capable either.

[spunkets]

" I hardly think that psycho-boy is some kind of shooting phenom."

I don't think so either, just practiced. Many people can do well from the bench, but not offhand.

I didn't mean that a mini-14 was the same design as the AR, just that they had rotating bolts and keep good tolerance in the parts. The 14's bolt has 2 lugs and is patterned after the M14 and the AR has multiple lugs to lock it 360^o.

[spunkets]

7.62x54 is a NATO round. It isn't the same as the 7.62x54R used in the bolt action Nagant. The only round used in the AK is the 7.62x39. It is not impotent, but is ~ the maximum power for a hand held full auto. 7.62x54 made the select fire M14 uncontrollable.

[C-Note]

Sorry, but 7.62x54 is NOT a NATO round. You are confusing it with 7.62x51. 7.62x51 is what made the M-14 uncontrollable. It was also used in the FN FAL and the M-60.
This is fun.

[ladyinred]

This article at Newmax concerning the terrorist training was the very first thing I thought of upon hearing about the shootings. Very scary indeed.

[spunkets]

51, 54, I was confused, too many numbers in my head.

infowarrior: I meant 7.62x51 = 308. Sorry!

[kcvl]

I noticed that also!!! Doesn't sound as if she loves her job much.

[supercat]

Normally, for witnesses far from the shooter, but near the bullet path, you expect stories about "two shots."

Would interviewing witnesses about the relative timing of the "two shots" they heard be perhaps more informative than asking them about apparent sound direction? Even if any witness may be off by a factor of two, enough witnesseses may allow the police to plot out the possible shooter locations that would have produced the perceived sounds.

[supercat]

Cops may enjoy all the taxpayer-funded practice at playing para-military games, but I hope to God they aren't challenged by a 100yd CNS shot.

My impression is that while someone like the criminal here would probably be perfectly happy with any shot that kills his victims, whether his victims survive half a second or half an hour after the shooting, police and military personnel occasionally have to make a much more precise shot--one where the crook is dead before he even knows he's been shot. Such a shot, from what I understand, had an acceptable target area of about a square inch. At 100 yards, that would be 1m.o.a. Not exactly a hard shot given favorable conditions, but a tricky one if, e.g., the target is moving.

[Travis McGee]

My SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) is that terrorist communications have been almost totally busted up or comprimised with so many in Gitmo. There is no reliable fall back method to put out a "go code". A pro was sent in from outside the US, to "jump start" sleepers still around by example. JUST my SWAG.

[Travis McGee]

Nature does reclaim her own fast where there is so much wet rot and growth.

[Travis McGee]

I can't picture it. That window miss was an anomoly though.

[Travis McGee]

And cold cold blood.

[Travis McGee]

Thanks, and I put you on my notification list.

[Travis McGee]

Great ballistic/acoustic info, thanks!

[Travis McGee]

You're wrong bud. Plain wrong, 14 years in the Army or 114. Wrong is wrong.

[The KG9 Kid]

I think that this would be a good time to warn the pedestrian observers out there in FReeperland that if they somehow manage to chamber a NATO 7.62x51 in a Russian 7.62x54 rifle, or vice-versa, it could result in a fatality for the shooter and nearby onlookers.

That said, at least don't do it anywhere near me.

[Dick Bachert]

My guess is that this is a continuation of what began on 9-11. My only questions are what took the bastards so long and where will they strike again?

If these shooters were cautious and set their vehicle up properly, there'd be no need to flee quickly. They could hang around for some time until just before the cops showed up then slowly drive off.

And what BETTER place to wage a campaign of offing innocent victims than Montgomery County, MD and DC where only the cops -- and the bad guys -- are SUPPOSED to have guns.

The shooting in VA MAY have been a bad choice as I believe VA does have a CCW law on the books.

These morons MAY have some surprises if they try this crap down south.

[Shooter 2.5]

To Infowarrior:
I just checked my "Small Arms of the World" hoping that in the early developments, they might have toyed with the idea of chambering the AK for the 7.62 X 54R. I didn't find anything. According to the book, the AK-47 was always chambered for the 7.62 X 39.
Suppose you send us a link to any website that shows any AK variant chambered for the 7.62 X 54R.
Thanks.