CONFEDERATE BATTLE FLAG SYMBOLIZES HATE, DIVIDES COMMUNITY

The Reveille (LSU student publication) | 1 October 2002 | Christina Stephens

[BARGE]

The flag represents a part of our history. To think of it in any other way is childish. I suggest further study on the subject.

[mo]

For those threatened by flaunting independence of thought,of mind, of conduct and action-the flag is truly evil and threatening. They would prefer we all goosestep together.

[warchild9]

What they fear most is not independence of thought--it's that they may be wrong about what the U.S. has come to. The thirteen stars in the corner of the Third National represent a MODERN free state, and not part of a crumbling oligarchal empire.

[Pushi]

Who is this _itch?

[TomServo]

Sometimes he signs them like this:

LOL!!

[pageonetoo]

this thread is sort of ignorant... but I imagine that poor Christina is just venting her boyfriend's line... many women like her are usually blonde and riding in a pimpmobile of some sort, with a red, green, and black flag shouting "Black Pride"... mass communications, huh? does that mean she is from the kennedy state, or some place where they have a lot of catholic churches with priests unable to speak!...?

[Jagdgewehr]

Actually, the Southern Cross is on a few flags. Such as Australia's, for example.

Yes, very true. This is the Southern Cross on the Australian flag.

The cross represented on the CBF is based on St. Andrew's Cross.

As seen here on the Scottisn national flag

The "Southern Cross" is the name of a constellation.

[Non-Sequitur]

On the single instance where he even commented on the possibility of a slave-free south, Jefferson Davis suggested a plan that would 'encourage' all the free blacks to emigrate to Central and South America. So where does that make him any different that the Lincoln you portray, and does your contempt extend to Davis, too?

BTW, my source for that is "Jefferson Davis, American" by William Cooper. One of the more respected biographies of the man.

[Arkinsaw]

Can you believe it?

Rhetorical question?

[H.Akston]

Here's some real insight:

Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. - James Madison, Federalist 39, to the People of the State of New York, who expressed the same right in their ratification message.

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski31.html

http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/020507ipfTrans.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38ae1fc86628.htm

[Arkinsaw]

RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT
DISPLAY OF BATTLE FLAGS OF THE CONFEDERACY
119TH NATIONAL ENCAMPMENT OF THE
SONS OF UNION VETERANS OF THE CIVIL WAR
LANSING, MICHIGAN AUGUST 19, 2000

A resolution in support of the display of the Confederate Battle Flag.

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, condemn the use of the confederate battle flag, as well as the flag of the United States, by any and all hate groups, and

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War support the flying of the confederate battle flag as a historical piece of this nation's history, and

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War oppose the removal of any Confederate monuments or markers to those gallant soldiers in the former Confederate States, and strongly oppose the removal of ANY reminders of this nation's bloodiest war on the grounds of it being "politically correct," and

WHEREAS, we, as the descendants of Union soldiers and sailors who, as members of the Grand Army of the Republic, met in joint reunions with the confederate veterans under both flags in those bonds of Fraternal Friendship, pledge our support and admiration for those gallant soldiers and of their respective flags;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War in 119th Annual National Encampment hereby adopt this resolution. Dated in Lansing, Michigan, on this nineteenth day of August, in the year of our Lord Two thousand.

By Order of: Danny L. Wheeler Commander-in-Chief

Attest: Todd A. Shillington National Secretary

[groanup]

"In fact, respect for the Confederate heritage, until very recent political agitation, was a near universal American sentiment. The Confederate battle flag was carried by fighting men in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. The display of our flag has been officially supported by the organized descendants of Union veterans. Shelby Foote, the greatest historian of the war, has publicly endorsed leaving our flag alone, a weight of authority greater than many ordinary historians put together."



http://www.dixienet.org/dn-gazette/professors-sc.htm

[Twodees]

I know why you hate the Starry Cross. It's the flag that Southerners have taken with them into combat ever since Lincoln's war. You never went into combat and will never go, so it reminds you that you're a REMF. REMFs don't get to accuse combat vets of being traitors. You need to learn your place in the order of things. Get over your shame of yourself and you'll stop feeling like you need to damn men whose boots you aren't fit to lick.

Good luck with your affliction and there's no charge for the analysis.

[Ohioan]

A shallow but emotional appeal to what? Those who would apologize for their heritage?

Like it or not, for well over a century, Southerners proud of their heritage, have celebrated the valiant but losing effort of the Confederate forces in the 1861 to 1865 war. The battle flag has been one of the symbols of that identification.

When you suggest that pride in heritage is somehow hateful, you cross a line. Bill Clinton has crossed that line. So have other Southerners, who embrace the values of the cultural nihilists; and seek to build a new America on Socialist values. But they are motivated by hate, and you claim to be motivated by love. Just what in your heritage, if not what others have rallied to, do you identify with?

If Slavery troubles you still, you can hardly go back to the symbols of an earlier era than the War, so that rules out the American flag, and I suspect the remnants in Louisiana of the old French culture--because they too had slaves. Indeed, slavery was only the form of involuntary servitude employed on this side of the Atlantic--and in the Near East, African and other non-European systems. While Europe had slaves in abundance in Roman and Greek times, long before America was settled, they had evolved a Feudal system, which had most of the same attributes as plantation slavery here. And, of course, the Left in Europe has never forgiven the traditionalists there for the feudal system. But no one imagines that those advocating class hatred and class warfare, in Europe, are pursuing love.

The heritage of the Old South, like it or hate it, is the heritage of all her people. The idea that it is based upon hatred is in the eye of the hater--in this case one who would repudiate respect for that heritage. It is the same "enlightenment" as that of the French Revolution, which sought to destroy the traditional French culture and religion, because of what the mob there hated. After the mass orgy of hate, Napoleon settled things down, and all classes of the French nation rediscovered what they had in common. I would suggest that would-be Southern turncoats in our times, look a little closer at the heritage they disparage, and realize that if not perfect, it was still something of which reasonable people may still be proud--very proud indeed.

The reason that the Old South was considered not so very long ago as the last true civilization in the West, is because it was based upon the ideal that everyone, from the greatest plantation owner to the lowliest field hand had a worthwhile role to play in the Social order; a respected role, for which each could take an honest pride. It is despicable that Southern turncoats, today, would seek to deny the Southern people, of every class and background, an appreciation of the heritage that all have shared.

Just some rambling, random thoughts on your nasty little post.

You may love your campus, but that is no substitute for the many generations of an ongoing culture, on which you seek to turn your back.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[itzmygun]

But the First Amendment guarantees free speech, regardless of how ugly that speech may be.

She messed up already. This is not a freedom of speech issue. It is a person's basic right to honor his or her ancestors and culture. The First Amendment shouldn't be needed for that. It should be given between individuals without hesitation.

There's a common misconception that only African Americans hate the flag.

Apparently, there's also a common misconception that only White, Racist Rednecks love the flag.

I despise the Confederate battle flag. I associate it with hate, slavery and oppression.

Notice that she only refers to herself in these lines. She mentions nothing of the people actually flying the flag. Who is causing her problem?

Clearly, it isn't surprising that African-American students would associate it with the practice of slavery.

Once again, no mention of the people actually flying the flag.

I wonder why people would want their heritage associated with something like slavery.

Ok, here's where the low IQ really starts to show itself. Who has a say in their heritage? I wonder what she proposes we use to symbolize our heritage(which, unfortunately, included slavery)?

Hide behind the heritage argument all you like -- someone who really was proud of where he or she came from would find a more respectful way to remember it.

How? Should we sing "Dixie?" No - that's offensive also. Maybe we should just fly the US flag - which flew over slave territory more than ten times as long as the Rebel flag.

Take down the flags. Loyalty, passion and enthusiasm all are characteristics of diehard LSU fans. Hate shouldn't be.

Isn't is just a little bit possible that the people who fly the flag do not associate it with hate? She says, "I despise the Confederate battle flag." Why dress it up? Just say, "I hate the Confederate battle flag." Now I would ask, "Where is the hate coming from?" With no evidence, she claims that the other side of this argument is driven by hate. In doing so, she provides proof that hate is what motivates her argument.


Do you know what offends me? A law that says a woman has a right to murder another human being offends me. The attempt to take away my Second Amendment rights offends me. Bashing of my heritage, as imperfect as it may be, offends me. But I am a conservative, and when a conservative is offended, it is called a "hang up." Right? I have a "hang up" about sex because I am offended that pornography is classified as art. I have a "hang up" about women being equal to men because I think a woman should put her child before her career.

If my neighbor put up a sign that said, "Black is superior to white." Would I be offended? Yes. Would I fight to have it removed? No. It would accomplish nothing. If my neighbor really hates whites, wouldn't it just strengthen his feelings if I caused him to have to remove it? If those people who honor the Confederate flag do so out of hate, you have much bigger problems than having to look at a few flags.

[H.Akston]

BRAVO. And he even had women in his unit, unlike moi.