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Milosevic Behind Yugoslav Break Up, Croat Leader Says
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 10/1/02 | Katie Nguyen

Posted on 10/01/2002 1:42:55 PM PDT by bob808

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To: Tropoljac
No. Republican borders were deeemed "inviolable" because of the precedent they might set in the coming collapse of the USSR.

How come the outside borders become so meannigless, and the Republican borders become 'inviolable'? You know the Helsinki Agreement was there to prevent wars in Europe! And exactly when Germany and others began to shit on that Agreement, we had the shit hitting the fan in Europe again. Our forefathers were not so dumb as you might think. They knew why this was such an important Agreement!

And Germany knew all allong about the coming collapse of the USSR!?

41 posted on 10/01/2002 7:06:24 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Tropoljac
Of course we wanted independence. However, an honest negotiator unlike Milosevic would have prolonged Yugoslavia by agreeing to a confederation. International support for independence for Croatia and Slovenia would have been next to impossible.

Not a chance. The exiled Ustashe of Canada, Australia, and the US paid big money to Tudjman for Croatia's immediate independence.

I'm also part Croatian and have many Croatian family and friends. They're very candid about the effort that exiled Ustashe played in gaining German support and Croatian independence.

43 posted on 10/01/2002 7:08:23 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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To: Tropoljac
However, if Milosevic accepted a confederal arrangement, Slovenian and Croatian independence would not have been recognized. I stand by that...you know that too...

I would have only accepted a confederal agreemant along the creation of an autonomous Krajina Republic within Croatia! And an agreement, that in case Croatia does finally seek independence from the confederation, there would be an equal opportunity for the Krajina Republic to vote to stay in that Confederation! Hah! :)

What do you think? A fair deal you would have accepted?

46 posted on 10/01/2002 7:20:39 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: A. Pole
Because it was a top secret, perfectly hidden like the death and rape camps were.

None of the three were secret, nor too terribly well hidden.

I expect to read the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts Memorandum and hope to read the RAM plan when it gets translated.

As to Milosevic and his culpability, I expect to hear more about intercepted phone calls in the days to come - we don't pour billions into the NSA to not hear other's conversations.

Lions and Tigers and Echelon, oh my!

47 posted on 10/01/2002 7:22:27 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Tropoljac; DestroyEraseImprove
International support for independence for Croatia and Slovenia would have been next to impossible.

The original vote of the EC was 11-1 against recognizing Croatia. By the time Germany got done twisting arms it was unanimous in favor. The Germans wanted Yugoslavia split and they were determined to get what they wanted.

48 posted on 10/01/2002 7:25:11 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Tropoljac
Danke Deutschland!

There you go kissing NAZI butts! As if the Germans had ever something decent in their sicko minds when it comes to the balkans! But they own now half your coast and all of your banks! Danke Deutschland, indeed!

51 posted on 10/01/2002 7:31:38 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Tropoljac
Autonomy? On what scale? What territory? What about the Croats within the autonomous region? How are powers divided?

You don't think I'm taking this serious now? This is totally irrelevant as I said that in case Croatia does finally seek independence from the confederation, there would be an equal opportunity for the Krajina Republic to vote to stay in that Confederation! This is the bottom line, and you know which Tudman's goal was, and compromise would have been a to high price to pay for independence-that means loosing Krajina in the end!

53 posted on 10/01/2002 7:38:49 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Tropoljac
The realtionship Serbia-Germany and Croatia-Germany were always some special relationships, but hardly comparable!
55 posted on 10/01/2002 7:41:44 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Tropoljac
I know.
60 posted on 10/01/2002 7:48:44 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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