Posted on 10/01/2002 1:42:55 PM PDT by bob808
Here you are taking things out of context again, Trop. Sure, there were Chetniks who collaborated, especially those who were outside the Ravna Gora command, but someone had to fight the Germans and their allies. The backbone of the Partzian movement, the cannon futter, were the Serbs. The Croats didn't fight the Germans in any significant numbers. And Slovenes...that's another story.
If the Serbs didn't fight, YUgoslavia would have been "liberated" by the Red Army in 1944 and incorporated into the Eastern Block and Warsaw Pact and the balance of power would have been lost -- with Greece for sure going communist as well. The world would have looked a lot different for the next 50 years if it hadn't been for those Serbs.
That's a negative. The right to self-determination was Constoitutionally reserved only for "constituent peoples," Trop, and not for "nationalities." Since the Serbs inside Socialist Croatia were a constituent people, they had every right to secede from Croatia.
Besides, Miloshevich warned that if Yugoslavia breaks up, the internal borders are up for grabs ebcause they were not protected under the Helsinki Accord.
That goes without saying. At that point the rest of the dissolution should have been negotiated.
Imagine George W. Bush saying:"...ladies and gentleman, my job is finished.The US does not exist anymore..."
If Slobo was willing to accept a confederal solution to Yugoslavia, it'd most likely be around today.
Most likely, huh? How likely is that, that Croats would have given up their 1000 year old dream? Be honest, not very likey!:) The goal would have been achieved then in two steps(first confederation, then independence)! Instead, it was in one step! The Krajina Serbs would have been screwed anyways with same result as we know it today!
The job rotated from one administrative unit to the next. When it was our turn, Slobo and his three yes men blocked the standard procedure. Then later the JNA refused to heed the orders of its commander-in-chief, President Mesic. That commander-in-chief would have been shot in any normal country in the world by every decent soldier. He was a traitor guilty of high treason!
...and what about the Croats caught in the secessionist Serb areas? Towns like Slunj and Drnis which had Croat majorities? Could they further secede from the Serbian secession brought on by the Croatian secession?
Why not? It's not the serbs who started this game of secession, so don't complain about it! As I said, you can't demand a right for yourself and then refuse the same right to the other party. As it was the the croats right to seccede, so it was the serb's right! Fair enough!
Oh, that's funny! That's reallly funny! The Croatian Serbs were led by collaborationist Chetnik Momcilo Djujic who was evacuated by the Germans in 1945 to Italy. He never once fought the Italians or Germans.
He was to busy fighting the Ustasha Monsters:), but there were Serbs who faught the Germans. Wouldn't you agree or are we going to rewrite history? And by the way, the Serbs did win the last two World Wars and there's nothing we can change about it. Denying them their historical 'reward' isn't helpful! By the way there were collaborationist everywhere at that time. They even claimed Draza Mihajlovic was one!
Regarding the term genocide, all I can say: Eye for an eye!
I'm talking about constituent people that would have the right to self determination! As the albanians were not a constituent people, but a minority (including a large number of illegal immigrants from the last decades), this would not apply to them!
Because it was a top secret, perfectly hidden like the death and rape camps were. Lack of evidence is a proof of Serbian perfidy. I am sure Hoplite, Fusion or A-brit can explain it to you.
There were two wars going on in Yugoslavia during WW2. One was the Axis vs. the Allies. The other was a 3 sided civil war that included Chetniks, Partisans, and Ustashe. Because some Chetniks cut deals with the Italians or Germans promising not to attack them so they can fight the Partisans without worrying about the Germans attacking from another front does not make those Chetniks either part of the Axis or even its ally. To the Chetniks of Dalmatia and Lika, the Germans were as much the enemy as the Partisans or the Ustashe.
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