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Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid
Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

Posted on 10/01/2002 7:16:59 AM PDT by Phantom Lord

Dozens protest Preble County police shooting

Slain man’s roommates say he was unarmed

EATON | Preble County law-enforcement officials declined to talk publicly Monday as they turned information about Friday's fatal shooting by a police officer of a 23-year-old man over to detectives from the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office.

Montgomery County investigators, called in by Preble County Sheriff Tom Hayes, also said they would not talk about their review of the shooting by a member of a Preble County's emergency services group — officers from a number of police departments who are trained to handle drownings and hostage and other situations.

However, it was anything but quiet outside the Preble County Courthouse, where dozens of friends and relatives picketed and said that police were covering up what happened to Clayton Jacob Helriggle, 23, of 1282 Ohio 503 South.

The protesters disputed police claims that Helriggle had a gun when he descended a stairwell and was shot by a Lewisburg police officer, whose identity has not been released. Friends and relatives on Monday carried blue plastic cups similar to the one they said Helriggle had in his hand Friday night.

Among the protesters were four of Helriggle's roommates, three of whom said they were inside the brick farmhouse when police stormed the house to serve a warrant to search for narcotics.

Maj. Wayne Simpson of the Preble County Sheriff's Office declined to discuss information about what happened Friday night and said a report on the shooting of the Preble County man had not been completed. Preble County Prosecutor Rebecca Ferguson said she sealed the search warrant after the shooting, and had no comment regarding the investigation.

"They're a professional group of officers, that's what their job is, and I'm not going to second-guess them. Whatever (Montgomery County officials) come up with, they come up with," Ferguson said.

Friends called Helriggle "peaceful and nonviolent," but police said the 1997 Twin Valley South High School graduate held a 9 mm handgun, not a blue cup, in his right hand when he descended the dimly lighted stairs. Roommates said Helriggle owned a 9 mm gun, but that it was upstairs when police entered their house.

"It's like we were armed, hardened criminals waiting inside to take them on," said Wes Bradley, 26, who lived in the bottom of the six-bedroom farmhouse with his girlfriend, 22-year-old Tasha Webster.

Bradley said he and Webster were near the kitchen next to the stairs, when officers "broke through the back door with battering rams and started throwing in flash grenades three at a time, to blind us."

The officers wore full body armor and carried shields, he said.

Another roommate, Ian Albert, said he had returned home from the grocery store with Chris Elmore, 24, who remained outside while Albert ran into the house.

"We saw at least two paddy wagon-type vehicles, like a SWAT bus," Elmore said. "About 30 officers stormed out of the woods" surrounding the farmhouse. "They'd cut the barbed wire, and you could see a staging area, like where 25 to 30 uniformed cops had been lying down and slithered along the grass."

Officers ordered Elmore to get on the ground, and he said he heard three pops, which he said could have been the flash grenades and gunshot.

"I yelled 'Nobody's armed,' and they told me, 'Shut up, shut up.' ”

Elmore described the action "like a movie, in slow motion."

Inside, Albert said, the police threw him against the staircase, "with my head on the second step up. I wanted to yell at Clay, but I looked up and saw him, rounding the stairway, and he had this look on his face, like, 'What's going on?' and the cops yelled, 'Get down' and then 'boom.' ”

Albert, who completed four months of Navy Seal training, said he reached up for Helriggle, "and I tried to apply pressure," he said, placing his left palm on his right chest, where Helriggle was struck by the gunshot.

"He died in my arms," he said. "It took about two minutes."

Albert said he was placed in a sheriff's car, and Helriggle's parents arrived.

"They saw me, drenched in Clay's blood, and they ask me, 'Is he all right?' and I just shook my head. The cops are smoking and joking, high-fiving each other. Wow, I think, they took down a farm of unarmed hippies.

"If they would have come to the door and said, 'Give us your dope, hippies,' we'd have gotten about a $100 ticket."

Police said they confiscated a small amount of marijuana, pills, drug paraphernalia and quantities of packaging items used in the distribution of marijuana.

The four roommates said they smoke marijuana from time to time and that they had marijuana pipes in the house. Bradley said he had a prescription for Fiorocet, a codeinelike painkiller, for a bad knee. They said the packaging police referred to was a box of plastic sandwich bags.

Webster said there was nothing in the house "that a good divorce lawyer couldn't have gotten us out on a misdemeanor," and said an old shotgun and a .22-caliber rifle found there were used for hunting.

"We target-practiced outside all the time, shot at bales of hay, jugs, that sort of thing," Webster said.

Bradley and Webster said Helriggle took a nap around 5 p.m. and had made plans to meet his girlfriend later.

"I'm not sure if he woke up from the bashing on the door or what," Bradley said.

All four said they were not read their rights or told what charges were filed against them. They were released from the Preble County Jail around 1:30 a.m. Saturday. No criminal charges have been filed.

Nancy Fahrenholz, the daughter of Everett "Bill" Fahrenholz, an attorney and former country prosecutor, hugged Bradley on Monday at the courthouse. Helriggle and five roommates rented the house from the Fahrenholzes.

"I'm so sorry," said Fahrenholz, a Rhode Island resident in the area to finish up the estate of her father, Bill Fahrenholz, who died a month ago.

"(Dad) would have been furious at this," she said. "We're all very distressed."

She said Helriggle "was a really nice guy," and that her family was pleased with the five young people's work on rehabilitating the farmhouse.

Helriggle's 77-year-old grandfather, Donald, a Miamisburg resident and Ohio Bell retiree, said his grandson rented the farmhouse "so they could play their instruments, listen to their music and drink a little beer. . . . They just wanted to be doing what 23-year-olds do."


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To: Roscoe
RE: (Me) "The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." --Thomas Jefferson, 1774.

(You) Constitution - 1789. Founding Father who said smoking dope was a Constitutional right - nada.

(Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1815) "A method of removing the difficulty of preparing hemp occurred to me .... To a person having a threshing machine, the addition of a hemp-break [constructed on my plan enables it to be] more perfectly beaten than I have ever seen done by hand .... I expect that a single horse will do the breaking and beating of ten men. Something of this kind has been so long wanted by the cultivators of hemp that .... I shall probably describe it anonymously in the public papers, in order to forestall the prevention of its use by some interloping patentee."

601 posted on 10/04/2002 8:01:56 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: Roscoe
Thomas Jefferson 1765 May12-13 Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.
602 posted on 10/04/2002 8:03:53 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: Roscoe
Thomas Jefferson 1765 August 7 : "began to separate [sic] the Male from the Female hemp. . . rather too late."
603 posted on 10/04/2002 8:05:03 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: Kevin Curry
Some toad-brained fool over at LP named "Obnoxicated" is offering to starch and iron your stained y-fronts, so impressed is he with your mealy-mouthed mufflings and squeaks here at FR. You are his hero. I cannot imagine anyone being that deluded or ignorant, but--there he is.
Go figure. - KC -


Not hard to figure at all, curry. Just as you do, Noxi pays attention to those I choose to chastize. - You in self defense, he in amusement.
He's a smart feller.

604 posted on 10/04/2002 8:46:37 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Your waiting is noted.

I don't expect you to support your assertions. Can't ask the impossible.

605 posted on 10/04/2002 8:47:55 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Sure roscoe. Youdamam.
606 posted on 10/04/2002 8:49:59 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tacticalogic
Proyect attempts to distinguish this body of authority by arguing that, while growing marijuana for distribution has a significant impact on interstate commerce, growing marijuana only for personal consumption does not. Despite the fact that he was convicted of growing more than 100 marijuana plants, making it very unlikely that he personally intended to consume all of his crop, Proyect contends that no one may be convicted under a statute that fails to distinguish between the cultivation of marijuana for distribution and the cultivation of marijuana for personal consumption. This contention is without merit.

Lopez did not purport to undermine the long-standing doctrine that "Congress may regulate activity that occurs wholly within a particular state if the activity has a sufficient nexus to interstate commerce." Genao, 79 F.3d at 1335. The nexus to interstate commerce, moreover, is determined by the class of activities regulated by the statute as a whole, not by the simple act for which an individual defendant is convicted. Thus, Congress unquestionably has the power to declare that an entire class of activities affects commerce. The only question for the courts is then whether the class is within the reach of the federal power. The contention that in Commerce Clause cases the courts have the power to excise, as trivial, individual instances falling within a rationally defined class of activities has been put entirely to rest.

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
No. 253 August Term, 1996

Your falsehoods are tired and meritless.

607 posted on 10/04/2002 8:51:15 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: gdc61
Ahh yes - the old I've never seen that denial. Never seen someone who so overdid it they had to be pumped full of fluids to compensate for the drug's severity in dehydrating them. Overdone so much that the drug literally put them on the floor and they could barely move. Care to refine your bs story sir?

I haven't seen average joes climbing the the walls for a drink after three days without. I've seen associates doing it because they didn't have the green to get the dry green.
OOps, not supposed to say such obvious things eh.. LOL. Keep the flags of propaganda flyin. Perhaps someone in a dunce hat will believe you.
608 posted on 10/04/2002 8:52:44 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: tacticalogic
1. specifically exempted personal commerce.

2. In the progress of things, this seems to have grown into a particular employment, and to have attracted the particular attention of government. Congress was no longer satisfied with comprehending vessels engaged specially in this business, within those provisions which were intended for vessels generally; and, on the 2d of March, 1819, passed 'an act regulating passenger ships and [22 U.S. 1, 218] vessels.' This wise and humane law provides for the safety and comfort of passengers, and for the communication of every thing concerning them which may interest the government, to the Department of State, but makes no provision concerning the entry of the vessel, or her conduct in the waters of the United States. This, we think, shows conclusively the sense of Congress, (if, indeed, any evidence to that point could be required,) that the pre-existing regulations comprehended passenger ships among others; and, in prescribing the same duties, the Legislature must have considered them as possessing the same rights.

No "specific" exemption of "personal commerce", whatever that means.

Not even a mention of "personal commerce."

You made it up.

609 posted on 10/04/2002 8:55:32 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: PaxMacian
(Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1815) "A method of removing the difficulty of preparing hemp occurred to me

It wasn't illegal at that time.

610 posted on 10/04/2002 8:57:48 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
"I don't expect you to support your assertions. Can't ask the impossible." -roscoepap-

You ask for the impossible, - endless supporting 'cites', while you nitpick & beg the question.

Read the constitution.
611 posted on 10/04/2002 8:58:03 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
You ask for the impossible,

That's not true, I recall you posting a court cite once. Of course, you misattributed a line from a dissent as the decision and were immediately caught, but at least you tried.

612 posted on 10/04/2002 9:02:57 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Phantom Lord
I'm sorry, but I have only met a few cops that I thought were decent men with half a brain. If you're too bright, you can't be a cop...
613 posted on 10/04/2002 9:03:28 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: gdc61
Actually I've addressed the point, you just can't seem to think for yourself to put the two issues together as discussed. Cigarettes Are addictive; but, don't make debilitate people after they've had two hits off of one.
Alcohol debilatates after greater consumption, but is not addictive. If they were combined into one thing with all the properties of both, then I'd say you have a point. You don't. But it sounds good for the propaganda aspects. Your problem is you're preaching relativism to a crowd that rejects it. Preach it to the French. They'll love you. They loved Hitler when he came to town, and they loved the allies when they came to liberate France. Now they Hate the allies and love socialism. But moralistically they're some of the lowest forms of life on the planet. That's what relativism does for you. Preach it elsewhere. And stop trying to snow us.

And btw, no I'm not testy this morning. I'm a big boy.
And I've debated far more obnoxious than you.
614 posted on 10/04/2002 9:17:25 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: Phantom Lord
Crime doesn't pay.
615 posted on 10/04/2002 9:18:28 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Roscoe
When arguing points with reasonable people it is customary to support opinion with cites from other sources, etc.
You are totally unreasonable on the subject, & seem to think 'debate' is an endless series of cites/countercites.

You're a demented nitpicker, unable to argue constitutional principle, because you have no basic principles of your own.

616 posted on 10/04/2002 9:20:19 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
it is customary to support opinion with cites from other sources

You don't support your opinions, you beg questions.

617 posted on 10/04/2002 9:24:53 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Your falsehoods are tired and meritless.

What falsehood? That you can't make your case without relying on post-FDR arguments? You just tried to do it again.

618 posted on 10/04/2002 9:26:42 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Roscoe
You are begging the question by claiming I'm begging. - The neverending roscoe-ite ploy.
Whatta twit.
619 posted on 10/04/2002 9:35:45 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tacticalogic
post-FDR arguments

"The subject to which the power is next applied is to commerce among the several states. The word among means intermingled with. A thing which is among others is intermingled with them. Commerce among the states cannot stop at the external boundary line of each state, but may be introduced into the interior. It is not intended to say that these words comprehend that commerce which is completely internal, which is carried on between man and man in a state, or between different parts of the same state, and which does not extend to or affect other states. Such a power would be inconvenient and is certainly unnecessary. Comprehensive as the word among is, it may very properly be restricted to that commerce which concerns more states than one."
-- Gibbons v. Ogden (1824)

Franklin D. Roosevelt was born on January 30, 1882

620 posted on 10/04/2002 9:37:35 AM PDT by Roscoe
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