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Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid
Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

Posted on 10/01/2002 7:16:59 AM PDT by Phantom Lord

Dozens protest Preble County police shooting

Slain man’s roommates say he was unarmed

EATON | Preble County law-enforcement officials declined to talk publicly Monday as they turned information about Friday's fatal shooting by a police officer of a 23-year-old man over to detectives from the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office.

Montgomery County investigators, called in by Preble County Sheriff Tom Hayes, also said they would not talk about their review of the shooting by a member of a Preble County's emergency services group — officers from a number of police departments who are trained to handle drownings and hostage and other situations.

However, it was anything but quiet outside the Preble County Courthouse, where dozens of friends and relatives picketed and said that police were covering up what happened to Clayton Jacob Helriggle, 23, of 1282 Ohio 503 South.

The protesters disputed police claims that Helriggle had a gun when he descended a stairwell and was shot by a Lewisburg police officer, whose identity has not been released. Friends and relatives on Monday carried blue plastic cups similar to the one they said Helriggle had in his hand Friday night.

Among the protesters were four of Helriggle's roommates, three of whom said they were inside the brick farmhouse when police stormed the house to serve a warrant to search for narcotics.

Maj. Wayne Simpson of the Preble County Sheriff's Office declined to discuss information about what happened Friday night and said a report on the shooting of the Preble County man had not been completed. Preble County Prosecutor Rebecca Ferguson said she sealed the search warrant after the shooting, and had no comment regarding the investigation.

"They're a professional group of officers, that's what their job is, and I'm not going to second-guess them. Whatever (Montgomery County officials) come up with, they come up with," Ferguson said.

Friends called Helriggle "peaceful and nonviolent," but police said the 1997 Twin Valley South High School graduate held a 9 mm handgun, not a blue cup, in his right hand when he descended the dimly lighted stairs. Roommates said Helriggle owned a 9 mm gun, but that it was upstairs when police entered their house.

"It's like we were armed, hardened criminals waiting inside to take them on," said Wes Bradley, 26, who lived in the bottom of the six-bedroom farmhouse with his girlfriend, 22-year-old Tasha Webster.

Bradley said he and Webster were near the kitchen next to the stairs, when officers "broke through the back door with battering rams and started throwing in flash grenades three at a time, to blind us."

The officers wore full body armor and carried shields, he said.

Another roommate, Ian Albert, said he had returned home from the grocery store with Chris Elmore, 24, who remained outside while Albert ran into the house.

"We saw at least two paddy wagon-type vehicles, like a SWAT bus," Elmore said. "About 30 officers stormed out of the woods" surrounding the farmhouse. "They'd cut the barbed wire, and you could see a staging area, like where 25 to 30 uniformed cops had been lying down and slithered along the grass."

Officers ordered Elmore to get on the ground, and he said he heard three pops, which he said could have been the flash grenades and gunshot.

"I yelled 'Nobody's armed,' and they told me, 'Shut up, shut up.' ”

Elmore described the action "like a movie, in slow motion."

Inside, Albert said, the police threw him against the staircase, "with my head on the second step up. I wanted to yell at Clay, but I looked up and saw him, rounding the stairway, and he had this look on his face, like, 'What's going on?' and the cops yelled, 'Get down' and then 'boom.' ”

Albert, who completed four months of Navy Seal training, said he reached up for Helriggle, "and I tried to apply pressure," he said, placing his left palm on his right chest, where Helriggle was struck by the gunshot.

"He died in my arms," he said. "It took about two minutes."

Albert said he was placed in a sheriff's car, and Helriggle's parents arrived.

"They saw me, drenched in Clay's blood, and they ask me, 'Is he all right?' and I just shook my head. The cops are smoking and joking, high-fiving each other. Wow, I think, they took down a farm of unarmed hippies.

"If they would have come to the door and said, 'Give us your dope, hippies,' we'd have gotten about a $100 ticket."

Police said they confiscated a small amount of marijuana, pills, drug paraphernalia and quantities of packaging items used in the distribution of marijuana.

The four roommates said they smoke marijuana from time to time and that they had marijuana pipes in the house. Bradley said he had a prescription for Fiorocet, a codeinelike painkiller, for a bad knee. They said the packaging police referred to was a box of plastic sandwich bags.

Webster said there was nothing in the house "that a good divorce lawyer couldn't have gotten us out on a misdemeanor," and said an old shotgun and a .22-caliber rifle found there were used for hunting.

"We target-practiced outside all the time, shot at bales of hay, jugs, that sort of thing," Webster said.

Bradley and Webster said Helriggle took a nap around 5 p.m. and had made plans to meet his girlfriend later.

"I'm not sure if he woke up from the bashing on the door or what," Bradley said.

All four said they were not read their rights or told what charges were filed against them. They were released from the Preble County Jail around 1:30 a.m. Saturday. No criminal charges have been filed.

Nancy Fahrenholz, the daughter of Everett "Bill" Fahrenholz, an attorney and former country prosecutor, hugged Bradley on Monday at the courthouse. Helriggle and five roommates rented the house from the Fahrenholzes.

"I'm so sorry," said Fahrenholz, a Rhode Island resident in the area to finish up the estate of her father, Bill Fahrenholz, who died a month ago.

"(Dad) would have been furious at this," she said. "We're all very distressed."

She said Helriggle "was a really nice guy," and that her family was pleased with the five young people's work on rehabilitating the farmhouse.

Helriggle's 77-year-old grandfather, Donald, a Miamisburg resident and Ohio Bell retiree, said his grandson rented the farmhouse "so they could play their instruments, listen to their music and drink a little beer. . . . They just wanted to be doing what 23-year-olds do."


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To: Phantom Lord
When is the Drug War going to end and be over? When will the killing stop? When will my taxes be reduced? I still see no progress, no light at the end of the tunnel.
581 posted on 10/03/2002 3:57:56 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Roscoe
"You falsely asserted that prohibitions were a violation of the common law."

Nope, I assert that prohibitions violate constitutional due process, and the common sense of our common law.
582 posted on 10/03/2002 3:58:02 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Dane
Our previous posts tell the tale.
Roscoe will not discuss the basic constitutional principles of life, liberty, and property, and how we best retain these rights for individuals.
He advocates more government control over individual liberty. - So do you.
583 posted on 10/03/2002 4:11:55 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Prohibition based on Commerce Clause authority involves applying ICC authority to potential commerce. Gibbons v. Ogden was limited to actual commerce, and further, limited to commercial commerce, and specifically exempted personal commerce. Try again.
584 posted on 10/03/2002 4:15:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tpaine
Ever seen an obnoxious toddler that thinks if they ask "Why?" enough times, eventually you'll give up and they'll "win"?
585 posted on 10/03/2002 4:19:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Roscoe
The Emancipation Proclamation preceded the 13th Amendment.

Would it be so hard for you to articulate what you're trying to say? Is it that you like to make us guess at what you really mean?

If you're trying to say that the 13th Amendment wasn't necessary but they passed it anyways, you're wrong. The Emancipation Proclamation came from the Executive branch of the government, which does not and cannot enact legislation. It required an AMENDMENT to the Constitution to SUPERCEDE state laws concerning slavery, as Congress saw it had no authority to pass a law that would have superceded state law otherwise.

That is ALSO why they passed the 18th Amendment concerning PROHIBITION. Thus, using the Commerce clause as a means to pass legislation that PROHIBITS a substance is blatently unconstitutional, as it is NOT an enumerated power within the Constitution.

586 posted on 10/03/2002 4:21:34 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: tacticalogic
Good comparison. And just like that obnoxious little kid, roscoe apparently really thinks he can somehow win.

It's a funny delusion, cept he, and dupes like him, are playing for keeps with our freedom.
How can you rationalize games against your own best interests?
587 posted on 10/03/2002 5:19:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Havoc
thats the BIGGEST whopper of all !!!!!!! "withdrawel" is something you do if you don't want.....memories. Brick as in thick, i am talking from experience which is why i know you are talking out your.....neck . pot withdrawel!!haha hahahahahaha, the only clinics i know of with pot smokers are cancer clinics where they use pot as the only way many people can keep a meal down .i "got the buzz" for close to thirty years and am quite successful. where i have seen many friends go down in flames from other drugs such as meth and coke and horse and ALCOHAL never have i seen someone overdose on pot . it and you are a joke to even attempt to pass that crap off on this mostly intelligent group of people of which i rank myself neither near the top nor bottem in brains ....fried as they are
588 posted on 10/03/2002 7:57:33 PM PDT by gdc61
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To: Havoc
oh yea ! i think you make up stories just like al gore. maybe you ARE al gore sent here by slick willy to try and infiltrate the FReepers ! yeeaaa thats the ticket
589 posted on 10/03/2002 8:19:58 PM PDT by gdc61
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To: tpaine
Some toad-brained fool over at LP named "Obnoxicated" is offering to starch and iron your stained y-fronts, so impressed is he with your mealy-mouthed mufflings and squeaks here at FR. You are his hero. I cannot imagine anyone being that deluded or ignorant, but--there he is.

Go figure.

590 posted on 10/03/2002 11:28:36 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: tacticalogic
Prohibition based on Commerce Clause authority involves applying ICC authority to potential commerce.

There is a huge actual commerce in illicit drugs.

Gibbons v. Ogden was limited to actual commerce, and further, limited to commercial commerce, and specifically exempted personal commerce.

False. No quotes from the decision, naturally.

591 posted on 10/04/2002 12:33:37 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
the common sense of our common law.

You know as little of one as the other. And your assertion is false and unsupported.

592 posted on 10/04/2002 12:36:03 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Virginia-American
"The requested document does not exist on this server."
593 posted on 10/04/2002 12:36:40 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: FormerLurker
That is ALSO why they passed the 18th Amendment concerning PROHIBITION.

Source?

Thus, using the Commerce clause as a means to pass legislation that PROHIBITS a substance is blatently unconstitutional, as it is NOT an enumerated power within the Constitution.

Nonsense.

Proyect attempts to distinguish this body of authority by arguing that, while growing marijuana for distribution has a significant impact on interstate commerce, growing marijuana only for personal consumption does not. Despite the fact that he was convicted of growing more than 100 marijuana plants, making it very unlikely that he personally intended to consume all of his crop, Proyect contends that no one may be convicted under a statute that fails to distinguish between the cultivation of marijuana for distribution and the cultivation of marijuana for personal consumption. This contention is without merit.

Lopez did not purport to undermine the long-standing doctrine that "Congress may regulate activity that occurs wholly within a particular state if the activity has a sufficient nexus to interstate commerce." Genao, 79 F.3d at 1335. The nexus to interstate commerce, moreover, is determined by the class of activities regulated by the statute as a whole, not by the simple act for which an individual defendant is convicted. Thus, Congress unquestionably has the power to declare that an entire class of activities affects commerce. The only question for the courts is then whether the class is within the reach of the federal power. The contention that in Commerce Clause cases the courts have the power to excise, as trivial, individual instances falling within a rationally defined class of activities has been put entirely to rest.

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
No. 253 August Term, 1996


594 posted on 10/04/2002 12:57:20 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: gdc61
Yeah, well, maybe you're a moron. Some of us manage to come in here and talk straight. I'm not the one sweating a bad position. You are. And it's you're ""version"" of things that stinks to high heaven and has everybody with a brain and olfactory senses pinching their noses and stepping around your cowpies. Yeah, here we just come in and make up our life stories just to mess with losers trying to legalize drugs... buzz off
595 posted on 10/04/2002 5:22:10 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: Roscoe
Still waiting for even a shred of support.

Your waiting is noted. You may be waiting awhile, though, because I'm interested in discussing this topic with FRpers who actually care one way or the other about the Drug War.

596 posted on 10/04/2002 5:34:25 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Roscoe
Prohibition based on Commerce Clause authority involves applying ICC authority to potential commerce.

There is a huge actual commerce in illicit drugs.

You're not going to establish that the CSA isn't based on the New Deal Commerce Clause by relying on arguments from Wickard v. Filburn to make your case.

597 posted on 10/04/2002 6:02:06 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Havoc
and thats the ticket alright.your the moron that won't answer me . i"ve stated the same fact 3 times and you ignore it just like you ignore all the other posts from others questioning your old 50's 60's reefer madness positions . sooooooo again i will state "when you lump pot with all the other hardcore drugs IE. meth coke horse...you must include nicotine and alcohal. all of which have LETHAL doses except pot"!!!when you refuse to answer this most simple question you show us who the moron is , you
598 posted on 10/04/2002 6:48:48 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: gdc61
and , my my aren't we testy today!
599 posted on 10/04/2002 6:53:05 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: Roscoe
Gibbons v. Ogden was limited to actual commerce, and further, limited to commercial commerce, and specifically exempted personal commerce.

False. No quotes from the decision, naturally.

In the progress of things, this seems to have grown into a particular employment, and to have attracted the particular attention of government. Congress was no longer satisfied with comprehending vessels engaged specially in this business, within those provisions which were intended for vessels generally; and, on the 2d of March, 1819, passed 'an act regulating passenger ships and [22 U.S. 1, 218] vessels.' This wise and humane law provides for the safety and comfort of passengers, and for the communication of every thing concerning them which may interest the government, to the Department of State, but makes no provision concerning the entry of the vessel, or her conduct in the waters of the United States. This, we think, shows conclusively the sense of Congress, (if, indeed, any evidence to that point could be required,) that the pre-existing regulations comprehended passenger ships among others; and, in prescribing the same duties, the Legislature must have considered them as possessing the same rights.

Passengers and their personal affects and affairs are address in previous law. Ogden v Gibbons is concerned with the navigation of the ship, absent any concern for the personal effects and affairs of the passengers.

600 posted on 10/04/2002 6:58:44 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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