Cave Skeleton Is European, 1,300 Years Old

Sunday Gazette Mail ^ | 9-29-2002 | Rick Steelhammer

[Arkansawyer]

Try this for info on the Runestone in Oklahoma.

[Arkansawyer]

Well the link didn't come up so here it is again:

http://kotv.com/okt/runestones.asp

[Cold Heat]

which tests indicate are European in origin and date back to A.D. 710, he maintains

Tourist Guy?

[usurper]

I knew it, I knew it. The Irish were here FIRST. Ever since I saw the mighty Kennewick Man's skull, I knew he had to be an Irishman. Now as the newly self appointed leader of this ethnic clan community, I demand JUSTICE from the federal government, I demand full reparations for all our land that was stolen, free secondary education, special job preferences, no federal income taxes and our own seat at the EEOC.

No Justice no peace. No justice no peace.

PS: We will settle for a casino and a keg of Guinness.

[ml/nj]

Well, I'd argue that while it will be amazing if true in WV

This doesn't pass the smell test so far as I am concerned.

Wyoming County, WV, is on the western side of the Appalachian Mt chain. The chance that unknown Europeans got there without some reasonable infrastructure is preposterous. The Europeans we know of landed at Jamestown, not too far away, in 1607. In my quick search, I didn't find any evidence of Europeans we know of getting to Western Virginia until more than a century later.

ML/NJ

[Lion Den Dan]

bump

[Republic If You Can Keep It]

The notion that whites stole the land and killed off the Indians is important for maintaining that guilt

Not only that.........

Imagine if, upon further research, it can be shown that Europeans were exploring the East Coast of North America around the same time that the Indians (who were originally Asians) were exploring the West Coast.

What would that do to the notion of "Native Americans"?

Perhaps both Europeans & Asians were ancient immigrant groups to the New World at about the same time.

[SteveH]

Pyle's links

here (petroglyphs)

and

here (dna)

and

here (Pyle's private website)

[LibertarianLiz]

Perhaps both Europeans & Asians were ancient immigrant groups to the New World at about the same time.

Now there's a thought.

My hubby just yelled from the bedroom; "the voyages of Brendan!"

[blam]

"What would that do to the notion of "Native Americans"?"

There were no 'Native Americans' (as we know them today) in North America prior to 6,000 years ago. There were a number of other folks like Kennewick Man, Spirit Cave Man and Buhl Woman here 9,000+ years ago that were Ainu/Joman in origin. The Northern Chinese Asians ('Native Americans'?) came here less than 6,000 years ago. I had a 'Native American' FReeper tell me once that who-ever was here, then that's us. I can 'buy' that.

[blam]

"My hubby just yelled from the bedroom; "the voyages of Brendan!"

Madoc

[LostTribe]

When the "we were here first" crowd get too noisy and sanctimonius I recall this quote from an earlier thread---

"The Maoris have been conditioned by liberal whities to deem everything they want, or want control of, as "sacred" to them. There were a people who settled New Zealand before them called the Morioris. The Maoris killed and ate them. ... Revisionist history omits this fact.

[chemainus]

The earliest "Native Indians" in the (now) U.S. are European , not Asian or Polynesian ( still Asian?). This was released as an irony that Europeans destroyed Europeans . The later Indians were from Asia/Polynesia but inhabited different ranges. This "find" in WVa , if it holds up does not surprise me. Nor does it surprise me that it was discovered by an amateur. Most "scientists" are too far buried in the box and beholden to grants and sponsors to think innovatively, if they ever had the ability in the first place. Look at Joseph Campbell, the greatest mythologist of the last two hundred years or more, an "amateur" , and notice the near miss asteroids and orbiting space stuff is regularly discovered by amateurs. My brother builds telescopes as a hobby. His mirrors and lenses are so fine that they resolve to a degree that is stated is impossible in the scientific literature. Want some good science? Stop the nepotism and grant racket, stop the Politically correct quotas, and stop the "stand in line and get your ticket punched" laying on of the hands.

[chemainus]

Where in the living hell do you get this kind of erroneous information?

[blam]

"The Maoris killed and ate them. ... "

LOL. I read that too.

[KSCITYBOY]

Can't be true... Doesn't fit PC history.

[blam]

"Where in the living hell do you get this kind of erroneous information?"

Be specific. What part do you think is in error? (My post #50 sounds suprisingly similar to your post #53)

[chemainus]

Let me offer you my apology for my lack of tolerance and probably lack of sleep the past two days...i will re-read...thanks for the kick in the shin

[blam]

Good Morning Bump.

[#3Fan]

I may see Barry Fell and Gloria Farley vindicated in my life time. That would be nice.

True.

It's a good thing Clinton isn't president, that cave may have been dynamited by now.