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Posted on 09/30/2002 7:44:20 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70

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To: Sir Gawain
(unless you're referring to "conservatives" in Congress specifically).

That was certainly the intent of my post.

201 posted on 09/30/2002 12:21:03 PM PDT by OWK
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To: dubyagee
I'm as free as I was September 10th.

he said, while standing in line for 4 hours at the airport, while some ham-fisted agent of the state does a fully body search of a helpless old grandmother, before she'll be allowed to fly to Indiana.

202 posted on 09/30/2002 12:24:07 PM PDT by OWK
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To: dubyagee
I don't support 'big brother' but I truly know of no other way to protect this nation at this time.

Governments throughout history have used "wars and the threats of wars" to denigrate their citizens rights. Everything is a national emergency of some sort.

Hitler used this particular strategy all the time.

Franklin had it right when he said, (paraphrased) "Those who would give up their liberty for security, deserve and will have, neither".

I will defend rights no matter what, they are the only thing that separates us from a banana republic.

203 posted on 09/30/2002 12:24:48 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: OWK
And the truth shall set you free.....
204 posted on 09/30/2002 12:25:08 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: SERE_DOC
Moron,

Ah... yet another powerful rebuttal... whithering in it's intellectual might.

205 posted on 09/30/2002 12:25:38 PM PDT by OWK
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To: OWK
Just attempting to lower to your level of principled comments,

Perhaps you would appreciate

Those who will sacrifice liberty for security.... shall get neither

Moron

206 posted on 09/30/2002 12:51:47 PM PDT by SERE_DOC
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To: OWK; ThomasJefferson
I'm having major troubles here. I had an entire post that disappeared into never-never land.
207 posted on 09/30/2002 12:52:25 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: SERE_DOC
Just attempting to lower to your level of principled comments,

Yeah... that must be it.

208 posted on 09/30/2002 12:53:15 PM PDT by OWK
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To: dubyagee
I thought I noticed an FR hiccup..
209 posted on 09/30/2002 12:56:30 PM PDT by OWK
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To: dubyagee
I'm having major troubles here. I had an entire post that disappeared into never-never land.

Can't help ya. Good luck.

210 posted on 09/30/2002 12:57:12 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: OWK
he said, while standing in line for 4 hours at the airport, while some ham-fisted agent of the state does a fully body search of a helpless old grandmother, before she'll be allowed to fly to Indiana.

Should be, she said. ; * )

Again, what is the alternative? We can pick and choose those whom we would search, but then we're accused of profiling, and they're searching for less arab-looking bombers now, anyway. I see the points you guys are making but I'm seeing no alternatives.

211 posted on 09/30/2002 12:57:33 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: ThomasJefferson
I will defend rights no matter what, they are the only thing that separates us from a banana republic.

I understand your desire to do that and for the most part I would also. But it's possible to be fanatic about anything. There are those who defend their 'right' to blow up the innocent. Their rights must be trampled upon, IMHO.

BTW, was I the only one having problems. Uh oh.

212 posted on 09/30/2002 1:00:33 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dubyagee
Again, what is the alternative? We can pick and choose those whom we would search, but then we're accused of profiling, and they're searching for less arab-looking bombers now, anyway. I see the points you guys are making but I'm seeing no alternatives.

The alternative is to allow free men to make their own decisions, and to remove state from the equation.

Let free men carry weapons in their own defense, in accordance with their rights.

Let those who own the airlines decide who will fly, and who will not... let them decide who will be searched, and who will not. Let the market decide... and leave the state out of it.

213 posted on 09/30/2002 1:06:40 PM PDT by OWK
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To: dubyagee
But it's possible to be fanatic about anything.

I'm not a fanatic, and there is nothing fanatical about defending the only thing that stands between them and us.

There are those who defend their 'right' to blow up the innocent.

No such right exists, hence the difference.

BTW, was I the only one having problems. Uh oh.

It seems there was a temporary problem. It seems to have passed.

I must go now. regards

214 posted on 09/30/2002 1:08:45 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: OWK
Let free men carry weapons in their own defense, in accordance with their rights. Let those who own the airlines decide who will fly, and who will not... let them decide who will be searched, and who will not. Let the market decide... and leave the state out of it.

Wonderful alternatives that would require radical changes in this country. Unfortunately, the radicals would fight them with every inch of their being. We have those within our government who do not have the best interests of this nation at heart. Sure some of them may be Republican, but many more are Democrat.

215 posted on 09/30/2002 1:09:32 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: ThomasJefferson
I must go now. regards

I enjoyed the civil debate. I must run myself. This 'soccer mom' has a game to attend. ; * )

216 posted on 09/30/2002 1:11:27 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dubyagee
Wonderful alternatives that would require radical changes in this country. Unfortunately, the radicals would fight them with every inch of their being. We have those within our government who do not have the best interests of this nation at heart. Sure some of them may be Republican, but many more are Democrat.

All true.

217 posted on 09/30/2002 1:18:52 PM PDT by OWK
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To: OWK
The question really isn't your patriotism, but you're attack on MG for her defense of patriotism to a adolescent twit.

And thanks for the English/Spelling lesson. Attacking the opponent and not their argument is also a boilerplate of the left. You keep trying to stray away from the original point. What the hell is wrong with MG telling this punk to stuff his 60's piece BS?

218 posted on 09/30/2002 1:28:45 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: OWK
Knew we'd agree on something. See ya. ; * )
219 posted on 09/30/2002 1:33:16 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: Dead Dog
but you're attack on MG for her defense of patriotism to a adolescent twit.

MG did not defend patriotism to anyone.

She barfed out a mindless emotional outburst, with no more value than the utter silliness represented by the adolescent twit.

Then she came here and told everyone so she could get a little group-think fix...

220 posted on 09/30/2002 1:33:22 PM PDT by OWK
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