CELLING LIES (Stem Cell Myths exposed by Michael Fumento)

National Review ^ | September 25th, 2002 | Michael Fumento

[Sabertooth]

Michael Fumento was correct in exposing The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS in 1993, and he is correct in exposing the myths of fetal stem cell research in the 21st Century.

President Bush got bad advice in his decision to fund research on some limited number of fetal stem cell lines. Umbilical stem cell lines are especially promising, and (unless the day arrives when abortions outpace liive births) will always be more plentiful than fetal lines. But as with AIDS research, politics and money are distorting the true picture.

If he was going to fund stem cell research at all, rather than trying to please everyone with funding for a finite number of fetal stem cell lines, President Bush should have opted for stem cells from less morally problematic sources, like umbilical cords.

Let's put the debate in terms that has the Democrats fighting for harvesting death via abortions vs. the Republicans harvesting life through discarded umbilical cords at birth.

Is there a problem with framing the issue in such a way that the GOP gets all of the benefits and credit, with the added bonus that it spills over into other issues to our advantage as well?

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[Sabertooth]

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[Torie]

The author admits that the potentiality of embryonic stem cells is unknown. The focus of the article is on government funding. Maybe most of it should be directed to adult cells. But the controversy was about whether to let private researchers have access to them more than about funding. Case closed as to whether we can be reasonably certain that denying the use of embryonic stem cells presents no potential impairment of medical research. Wew can't.

[Sabertooth]

Case closed as to whether we can be reasonably certain that denying the use of embryonic stem cells presents no potential impairment of medical research. We can't.

But that's a selective misrepresentation of the case.

All manner of scientific research that relies on harvesting human test subjects may have medical utility, that doesn't mean that they should be pursued with no regard for morality or ethics.

And it is the question of morality and ethics that makes funding of fetal stem cells politically problematic.

Although you've already seen this, I'll repost it for others:

For the first time, the researchers have shown that human umbilical cord stem cells, obtained after birth, can be reprogrammed to act as brain cells (neurons and glia). Until now, umbilical cord stem cells have been used to fight blood diseases in children such as leukemia.

"What we know from this is that umbilical cord blood contains stem cells able to differentiate into neural cells," Dr. Sanberg said. Stem cells are multipotent cells--able to grow into other kinds of cells.

"This finding suggests that umbilical cord blood is a noncontroversial, readily available source of stem cells for brain repair, and could provide an alternative to using embryonic cells," Dr. Sanberg said.
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Reprogramming is the big hurdle. The major purported medical advantage of fetal stem cells has been their reprogrammability.

Now that it's been demonstrated that hurdle can be cleared, the case against some imperative "need" for fetal stem cell research is what is actually closed... morally, politically, and scientifically.

[Torie]

that doesn't mean that they should be pursued with no regard for morality or ethics.

Fine. Make your case there. That is my whole point. On that you have your a priori assumptions, and I have mine. I respect yours. I don't get much respect for mine around here on this topic, but that's OK.

[WOSG]

Yes, Fumento is great... he actually exposed the MYth of Heterosexual AIDS even earlier in the 1980s, but Govt policy wonks never listened ... on this matter, I am sure he is right too. He does his homework well. I would say though that what we can do today and what we can do in 10 years are dramatically different. Science has a lot to teach us yet.

[Sabertooth]

Fine. Make your case there. That is my whole point. On that you have your a priori assumptions, and I have mine. I respect yours. I don't get much respect for mine around here on this topic, but that's OK.

Perhaps I'm unclear as to your a priori assumptions.

[Sabertooth]

Yes, Fumento is great... he actually exposed the MYth of Heterosexual AIDS even earlier in the 1980s, but Govt policy wonks never listened.

My cousin was an intern at UCSF in the mid-1980s, and in 1985 he told me that anal sex between homosexual men was and would remain the principle vector of transmission. This information was suppressed in lieu of the homosexual political agenda, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of their own lives.

[Torie]

I don't think embryonic life in the first trimester should receive legal protection, because I don't think there is any sentinence.

[RadioAstronomer]

I don't think embryonic life in the first trimester should receive legal protection, because I don't think there is any sentinence.

I completely agree.

[aruanan]

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[Sabertooth]

I don't think embryonic life in the first trimester should receive legal protection, because I don't think there is any sentinence.

Is there sentience in the comatose? In the anencephalic?

If a woman is 10 weeks pregnant and is assaulted, resulting in a miscarriage, is this just your garden-variety aggravated assault?

In any event, I think you'd agree that there is a significant faction in the GOP coalition that disagrees with your first trimester exception. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, given the demonstrated scientific promise of other, less morally problematic lines of stem cell inquiry besides the fetal, why risk the political fallout of the fetal stem cell tar baby?

[Torie]

We have already discussed the politics. Your road has more risks. If someone is permanently comatose (and if we are unsure about the permanence, that is another matter), I think the state should not pay for continued maintenance. What the relatives decide to do is up to them. The misscarriage is another source of civil damage, and a more severe injury for criminal purposes. Should it be a homicide? No, IMO. Yes, I am drawing distinctions. I am drawing lines based on certain a priori values about what is life, and what isn't. There is no right or wrong answer when one draws such lines IMO, except through the lens of one's own a priori values and assumptions.

[RadioAstronomer]

I spoke in haste. I still think sentience does not exist at that time; however, your other arguments raise questions I am unable to address with a clear conscience.

I rescind my statement.

[Torie]

By the way, it is legal now to pull the plug on the permanently comatose, and should be.

[jwalsh07]

How do you measure sentience?

[Sabertooth]

By the way, it is legal now to pull the plug on the permanently comatose, and should be.

Yes, because "pulling the plug" isn't murder.

The distinction lies in the act, not in the state of the victim, as it is still illegal to pull the plug and then slit the throat of the comatose, and should be.

[Torie]

I refer you to the Easterbrook article on Brainwaves. I think you saw it at the time, no?

[Torie]

Yep, they just let them dehydrate and die. I think an injection would be appropriate myself. In fact, there was a murder trial on this very point many years ago in LA. The case was dismissed by the judge because the doctors lacked malice. The judge pulled a legal slight of hand.