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Al Gore mouths off unhelpfully on Iraq
boston herald ^
| 9-25-02
| boston globe
Posted on 09/25/2002 6:30:47 PM PDT by irradiateiraq
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U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives.
I had never this un freakin believable
To: irradiateiraq
U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives
you have got to be shitting me
To: irradiateiraq
He was so determined not to rock the boat that at times the U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives. I don't remember this---I wonder how the Boston Herald knew? I'm not denying it, but I'd sure like to read up on this a bit more.
This editorial is spot on---I am actually glad Gore gave his speech. It's been great fun listening to the media mock him so much the last two days.
To: irradiateiraq
Tonite I heard Dick Armey refer to Albore as the former vice president and future nothing.
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posted on
09/25/2002 6:52:51 PM PDT
by
OldFriend
To: irradiateiraq
U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives.
WHY is this the first time I've ever heard of this??????
To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
Concrete bombs....I would like to know the Boston Globe's source?
To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2; HennepinPrisoner; Jewels1091
I had heard of this a few years ago. It seems that the Iraquis were placing radar vans in residintial(sp) areas to hide them and in the hopes of provoking some kind of incident.
Now imagine your the radar operators sitting in your nice little van watching the tubes when all of the sudden 2000lbs of precisely aimed concrete lands on your van. Major league OH SH!T for some poor slobs in the van and the nieghborhood is none the less for the wear. Kinda crazy but it works!!!
Regards
alfa6 ;>}
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:06:15 PM PDT
by
alfa6
To: irradiateiraq
Anyway, there has been a lapse of Bill Clinton's presence in the news so Algor seized the moment.
bombs containing only concrete
Why would bombs be filled with concrete when ther is so much sand avalible?
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:06:23 PM PDT
by
oyez
To: irradiateiraq
U.S. using concrete bombs in raids on Iraq
October 7, 1999
Web posted at: 10:28 p.m. EDT (0228 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In an effort to minimize civilian casualties, U.S. warplanes have been dropping bombs filled with concrete, rather than explosives, on targets in Iraq, the Pentagon confirmed Thursday.
Responding to a report in the New York Times, military officials in Washington and at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, where U.S. planes patrolling Iraq are based, confirmed that the concrete bombs were being used.
The new bombs were introduced following Iraqi allegations that bombings by U.S. jets -- in response to Iraqi anti-aircraft fire in the "no-fly" zone over northern Iraq -- were killing civilians.
The bombs, which weigh between 2,000 and 3,000 pounds, are still capable of damaging or destroying the targets they hit. But without explosives, the bombs don't generate fragments that could kill or wound civilians. A Pentagon spokesman said bombs with explosives are still be used in some circumstances.
Iraq: 'Recognition' of civilian deaths
Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Saeed Hasan, said the use of concrete bombs was "recognition by the United States that its bombs are killing Iraqi civilians."
"Whether it is concrete bombs, explosive bombs, depleted uranium bombs, they are bombs killing Iraqi civilians," he said. "They are ... a part of a military campaign against an independent country, a use of force without any authorization by the (U.N.) Security Council."
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Hugh Shelton, during an appearance in Virginia, declined to discuss how much or under what circumstances the concrete bombs are being used.
"If we have a target, a specific target that we are very concerned about collateral damage, but it's very important that we hit that target, that is a technique that we have of going after it," he said.
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:07:26 PM PDT
by
jigsaw
To: irradiateiraq
He was so determined not to rock the boat that at times the U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives. Why, that's, that's TERRIBLE!!! What would have happened if they hit someone???
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:08:17 PM PDT
by
stevem
To: irradiateiraq
To Albore,
THE FLY
There was a fly buzzing around a barn one day when he
happened on a pile of fresh cow manure. Due to the fact
that it had been hours since his last meal, he flew down and
began to eat. He ate and ate and ate.
Finally, he decided he had eaten enough and tried to fly
away. He had eaten too much though, and could not get off
the ground. As he looked around wondering what to do now,
he spotted a pitchfork leaning up against the wall.
He climbed to the top of the handle and jumped off, thinking
that once he got airborne, he would be able to take flight.
Unfortunately he was wrong and dropped like a rock,
splatting when he hit the floor. Dead.
The moral to the story is: Never fly off the handle when
you are full of sh!t.
dot
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:08:41 PM PDT
by
dot_usa
To: irradiateiraq
The editors at the Herald are most confused:
Al Gore mouths off unhelpfully on Iraq
How 'bout:
Unhelpfully, Al Gore mouths off on Iraq
Unhelpfully Al, Gore mouths off on Iraq
Al Gore mouths off on Iraq unhelpfully
Mouths Al unhelpfully Gore off on Iraq
Al Gore unhelpfully mouths on Iraq off
Gore mouths off Al on unhelpfully Iraq
Al unhelpfully on Gore mouths Iraq off
Al Gore mouths unhelpfully off on Iraq
It's almost fun:
Gore mouths Al off on Iraq unhelpfully
Off Gore mouths Al unhelpfully on Iraq
Iraq mouths Al Gore unhelpfully Off
On Al Iraq Gore mouths unhelpfully Off
Unhelpfully off Gore all mouths on Iraq
On Iraq unhelpfully Al Gore mouths off
On off Gore unhelpfully mouths Iraq
Off on Iraq mouths Gore unhelpfully
...
No wonder they can't bring themselves to certitude. Let me help, you morons,
Al Gore's Mouth Unhelpful, on Iraq or Anything Else
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:26:02 PM PDT
by
nicollo
To: irradiateiraq
There was a discussion about clinton's use of concrete bombs here a few days ago. It's true. Clinton ordered it for fear that someone on the ground might be injured, causing him bad publicity. As a result, nothing was damaged but the radar disks, and they were quickly and relatively cheaply replaced.
This was not the exception but the rule while clinton was running the show.
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posted on
09/25/2002 7:32:27 PM PDT
by
Cicero
To: HennepinPrisoner
at times the U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives.This may be a bit "overblown" so to speak. Practice bombs are weighted with inert stuff like concrete, with similar density to the replaced explosives. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some "training" missions were allowed over the no-fly zones that Clinton approved of. Not saying that this makes it any better, but at least our boys were getting some practice in!
To: OldFriend
Al who?
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posted on
09/25/2002 8:41:11 PM PDT
by
Samwise
To: irradiateiraq
This was done in response to repeated violations by Iraq of a clause in the Geneva Conventions regarding civilians. To wit:
Protocol 1, Addition to the Geneva Conventions, 1977
PART IV: CIVILIAN POPULATION
Section 1: General Protection Against Effects of Hostilities
7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
The purpose of the concrete bombs was to permit military targets to be destroyed while minimizing risks to civilians, in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.
Note that civilian casualities resulting from some responsibilities are the sole responsibility of Iraq for using civilians as human shields. The US is not barred from attacking Iraq simply because of its cowardly, inhuman and craven violations of this international law.
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posted on
09/25/2002 8:58:26 PM PDT
by
Imal
To: irradiateiraq
So...you expect him, "AL", to change? He is an idiot !!! Will say anything...he does not know he is lying, or telling a tale. He is a "true believer" in what he is saying. SAD.
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posted on
09/25/2002 9:01:03 PM PDT
by
MissL
To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
U.S. warplanes attacking threatening Iraqi missile sites attacked with bombs containing only concrete, not explosives Clinton ordered the use of such bombs. They would knock down the radar antennas if you got a direct hit, but unless it landed on someones head it could not hurt anybody. Clinton was concerned that real bombs might hurt some of Saddams soldiers... Couldn't have that could we.
Will this giva anyone in the media have a clue as to why the Militant Muslims feel they can get away with killing us?
When someone does as much cocain as Clinton, they tend to leave no turn un-stoned.
To: sam_paine
Apparently not. The article is posted a few posts up from yours, no practice going on, just the liberal idea of war. You know, make love, not war.
To: irradiateiraq
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