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"The only difference between the North and South is our cities are bigger and that turns the whole state Dem. Take a look at the county by county map of the 2000 election. If your cities grow in population, your states will get more liberal."

That's a very good point, worthy of Quote of the Day material.

No wonder the Democrats are fighting like mad to reign in "urban sprawl". Those leaving the established mega-cities must be draining the Dems' power...

If your cities grow in population, your states will get more liberal.

I don't agree. The inner city always becomes more liberal, but the suburbs often are Republican strongholds.

Take Houston, for example. It's the fourth largest city in the country. The city limits are a Democrat stronghold, but the greater urban area is conservative.

Look at the map of the 2000 election you referred to. Even the city of Houston wasn't enough to make Harris County into Gore country.

That's a very good point, worthy of Quote of the Day material. No wonder the Democrats are fighting like mad to reign in "urban sprawl". Those leaving the established mega-cities must be draining the Dems' power...

It comes with success. The North was the rustbelt where all the jobs were for decades and decades. That expanded our cities and turned the states Dem. The south is successful now. When you get too many people, the same thing will happen. The things that make you successful draw the type of people that will change your state into an a less efficient, liberal society. But what can you do? It's a catch 22. You can't stay down so no one will want to come, but when you rise, everyone comes to ruin it.

The problem with Illinois is we had a Republican governer (the only Republican I refused to vote for in my life, by the way) who destroyed the prospects for Republicans with his liberalism and corruption. He put a moratorium on the death penalty, was corrupt with the drivers license deal, visited Castro, etc. There is a little bit of hope for this state considering that the other Ryan is making a stand for the death penalty in his campaign now, and the Dem that ran against George Ryan last time was conservative on the 2nd amendment and some other things. We just have to hope that the Dems don't turn this state into California when they sweep in November, and maybe when we purge this state of the effects of George Ryan, we can make a bit of a comeback in a couple of years.