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LOS ANGELES FIRST CITY IN NATION TO VOTE TO BAN 50 CALIBER SNIPER RIFLES
Violence Policy Center ^ | 9/24/02 | Violence Policy Center

Posted on 09/24/2002 2:03:46 PM PDT by kabuki

LOS ANGELES FIRST CITY IN NATION TO VOTE TO BAN 50 CALIBER SNIPER RIFLES

WASHINGTON, DC—The Violence Policy Center (VPC) today applauded the Los Angeles City Council for passing a ban on the sale and possession of 50 caliber sniper rifles. This marks the first time that a legislative body has voted to ban these weapons of war. The groundbreaking measure was sponsored by Councilman Mark Ridley-Thomas and passed unanimously.

The legislative effort, which received strong support from the LA Police Department, was spearheaded by the Violence Prevention Coalition of Greater Los Angeles, aided by the Pacific Center for Violence Prevention, and based on research by the Violence Policy Center (VPC).

“With today’s unanimous vote to ban 50 caliber sniper rifles, the City of Los Angeles has sent a very strong and clear message to California and the rest of the nation: We must bring these weapons of death and destruction under control,” Tom Diaz, VPC senior policy analyst states.

The Council instructed the City Attorney to model the new measure regulating 50 caliber sniper weapons on the city ordinance restricting the sale and possession of assault weapons. The VPC was the first organization in the country to alert the American public to the dangers of 50 caliber sniper rifles on the civilian market with its landmark 1999 study, One Shot, One Kill: Civilian Sales of Military Sniper Rifles.

The 50 caliber sniper rifle is an extremely powerful weapon which uses high-caliber ammunition at distances averaging between 400 and 1,700 yards. These same military armaments—designed and sold for the express purpose of killing people and disabling key command and control outposts—are now freely available across America's gun shop counters. As a result, this ideal tool for assassination and destruction is now easily accessible to terrorists, criminals, and the mentally unstable. The VPC continued to warn lawmakers and the public of the dangers of 50 calibers in its 2001 study Voting from the Rooftops: How the Gun Industry Armed Osama bin Laden, Other Foreign and Domestic Terrorists, and Common Criminals with 50 Caliber Sniper Rifles, which explains the enormous range of 50 caliber sniper rifles, the explosive power of special armor- piercing and armor-piercing incendiary ammunition easily available in the United States, and why this war-fighting power in the hands of Al Qaeda and other terrorists creates a grave threat to all Americans. The study also details: how 50 caliber sniper rifles can create disaster at industrial facilities handling explosive, toxic, or volatile chemicals—the kind of threat terrorism analysts already warn transforms a target into a weapon; a report for the Air Force which warns that 50 caliber sniper rifles endanger aircraft, bulk fuel tanks, fuel trucks, and other airport targets; and, the rash of 50 caliber sniper rifles found in the arsenals of domestic terrorist and extremist groups, including one that plotted to kill a state governor, U.S. Senator, and federal judges. “We have made extensive research available to Attorney General John Ashcroft, the FBI, and key officials throughout the U.S.,” Diaz adds. “We call on them to support the pending legislation sponsored by U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein and Congressman Henry Waxman.” *** To obtain a copy of any of the VPC 50 caliber studies please call Naomi Seligman at 202.822.8200 X105 or visit the VPC website at www.vpc.org. —END—


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: hoosierskypilot
I figured that was probably the case. I was just trying to throw in some boneheaded humor.
81 posted on 09/25/2002 7:53:10 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Joe Brower
Netscape 7.0.

Somebody else posted it that way a few weeks ago and I pointed it out and got flamed for being and idiot who didnt' know what Molon Labe was.

Of course if I knew that MWLWN LABE was intended to be then of course I must know what MOLON LABE means.

That feller is the same type who gives new shooters stupid looks and smart ass comments at the range and gun shop.
82 posted on 09/25/2002 8:19:55 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
I hear you. And that same feller usually can't keep 'em on the paper himself. I find that one of the most frustrating things about the 'net is that people do tend to be abusive who would never mouth off like that face to face. No honor there.

Netscape 7, hmmm? I'm running Internet Exploder 5.5 on a Win NT 4 box, and all is well there.

83 posted on 09/25/2002 8:29:05 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: kabuki
LA will vote to ban self-defense someday soon.
84 posted on 09/25/2002 8:42:38 AM PDT by Scruffy
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks for telling me the Why. I don't really care if the font doesn't work for my computer but now I don't feel left out.

Did you just see Dasche crying is little A$$ off about Bush saying he isn't serious about the Nation's Security? HAHAHAHAHA

"I was at Normandy (three second pause) just last year."

It was as if Daschle was projecting himself onto the battlefield via a Saving Private Ryan memory. What a loser.
85 posted on 09/25/2002 8:42:41 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: b fair
I'm pretty sure my .338 WM cold push 1000 yards as well, and it doesn't weigh 30 lbs.

I believe .300 win mag is the "ideal" sniper caliber. And that is the point, next will be all other sniper calibers, .308, 338 Lapua, .30-06, .223. Then they can go to all military calibers 9mm Parabelum, 7.62X39, .30-40 Craig, 45-70 GOVERNMENT...ect. Incrementalism trying to get a foothold.

86 posted on 09/25/2002 8:53:35 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: big ern
Scum like Da$$hole are exactly the creatures that Alexander Hamilton had in mind when he wrote in The Federalist Papers that (paraphrasing here) "we cannot always be assured that men of character will be at the helm of the ship of state".

God damn him and all his ilk.


87 posted on 09/25/2002 9:07:08 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Rytwyng
Ah. Many thanks for the clarification!
88 posted on 09/25/2002 10:45:26 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Grut
I was on a B52 mission down in the Parrot's Beak one time that killed an elephant with a 750-lb. bomb. I remember thinking at the time that even Elmer Keith would have had to admit we were adaquately 'gunned'.

Elmer Keith was the father of the .44 Magnum, as you no doubt know. I was all of fifteen at the time (1955) but remember the big deal made of the gun and cartridge. Actually, I became interested in big-bore revolvers through the .44 Magnum, bought the first one I could find. I got the "Keith" bullet mould and started casting his semi-wad cutter plain-base 250 grain bullet.

The .44 Magnum is no longer the most powerful production handgun ctg. but it's very accurate and works great for pretty much anything one wants to hunt in N. America. Load it down in power just slightly and the gun becomes almost tame.

Well, enough about Elmer Keith. This thread is on the .50 cal. Don't own one but would like to.

89 posted on 09/25/2002 11:56:22 AM PDT by toddst
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To: b fair
"The 50 caliber sniper rifle is an extremely powerful weapon which uses high-caliber ammunition at distances averaging between 400 and 1,700 yards" My Weatherby .460 can do this too. For that matter my model 70 in 300H&H can reach out to over a 1000 yards easily.

I compelety agree, Im personally boycotting CA and LA from this day forward
90 posted on 09/25/2002 9:19:32 PM PDT by ezo4
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To: taxcontrol
Here it is. It's kind of long, so hopefully it works.

http://citycouncil.cityofla.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpcgi.exe?AC=GET_RECORD&XC=/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpcgi.exe&BU=http%3A%2F%2Fcitycouncil.cityofla.org%2Fdbtw-wpd%2Fcfi%2Fqbe1.htm&TN=CFI&SN=AUTO18605&SE=1705&RN=0&MR=10&RF=HITLIST&DF=PRINT-VIEW+RECORD(S)&RL=1&DL=1&NP=3&ID=&MF=&MQ=&TI=0

Unfortunately, I live in the People's Republic of Los Angeles and will be subject to this stupid ban. I'm going to head to my local gun shop, the last one remain in the area, Turner's, and find out more tomorrow. I don't know if my Councilman voted for it, Dennis Zine, but he's ex-LAPD.
91 posted on 09/26/2002 2:53:18 AM PDT by suroc
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To: Reeses
Why didn't the assasins choose .50 caliber rifles if they're so great for assasinations?

Oh, they know full well that .50 cals aren't used for assassinations, despite what they may say. It's all about banning firearms that could be used effectively against police or national guard vehicles (armored or otherwise).

95 posted on 09/26/2002 6:23:54 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: kabuki
Why oust Saddam when the enemy lives in KA?

Should we send cash and supplies to Kalifornian residents in the hopw that they'll rid themsleves of this oppressive regime?

Of course, Kalifornains will continue to crap in their own nest then move to other parts of the country which they will undoubtedly liberalize and ruin as they did in Denver.

97 posted on 09/26/2002 6:41:51 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: A tall man in a cowboy hat
There is only one way I am aware of to be "victorious" in a fight.

"First you WIN, then you fight."

We already lost. It wasn't you or me. It was the stupidity of the last three generations. The battle was reversed in 1913 - 1918 when the other team succeeded in capturing both our MONEY and our LAW. After that it was all dopwnhill, and still is.

It was a counter revolution to our American Revolution, and it was based upon the exploitation of stupidity and weakness, and still is.

We deserved to lose. Not regain the upper hand we would have to become educated again. Fat chance now that they are in charge of the schools.

The "City" rules us, and that's why we see Greenspan being "Knighted" by the Queen. He works for her, not us.

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/The_Crown_Temple.htm
98 posted on 09/27/2002 12:27:56 PM PDT by RISU
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To: big ern
Of course if I knew that MWLWN LABE was intended to be then of course I must know what MOLON LABE means.

I think "MOLON LABE" is a Greek expression, spelled mu omega lamba omega nu   lamda alpha beta epsilon; in the symbol font the poster used (which is on my machine, if not yours) most of the Greek leters correspond to their translated equivalents except that omega is located under "W". Perhaps the person was writing it that way to be cute, but if that is the correct spelling of the Greek expression I can't particularly fault someone for spelling it correctly (with omegas rather than omicrons, if that's how it's spelled).

99 posted on 09/28/2002 6:38:05 PM PDT by supercat
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To: mvpel

Is that a .303 SMLE?

100 posted on 09/28/2002 6:41:25 PM PDT by supercat
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