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Don't Start the Second Gulf War
National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Protagoras

Don’t Start the Second Gulf War
The case against war with Iraq.

By Doug Bandow
August 12, 2002, 9:00 a.m.

President George W. Bush says that he hasn't made up his mind about "any of our policies in regard to Iraq," but he obviously has. To not attack after spending months talking about the need for regime change is inconceivable. Unfortunately, war is not likely to be the simple and certain procedure that he and many others seem to think.

Lots of arguments have been offered on behalf of striking Baghdad that are not reasons at all. For instance, that Saddam Hussein is an evil man who has brutalized his own people.

Certainly true. But the world is full of brutal regimes that have murdered their own people. Indeed, Washington ally Turkey's treatment of its Kurds is scarcely more gentle than Iraq's Kurdish policies.

Moreover, the U.S. warmly supports the royal kleptocracy next door in Saudi Arabia, fully as totalitarian, if not quite as violent, as Saddam's government. Any non-Muslim and most women would probably prefer living in Iraq.

Also cited is Baghdad's conquest of Kuwait a dozen years ago. It is a bit late to drag that out as a justification for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam. He is far weaker today and has remained firmly contained.

Richard Butler, former head of the U.N. Commission on Iraq, complained to the Senate Foreign Relations that Iraq had violated international law by tossing out arms inspectors. In fact, there are often as many reasons to flout as to obey U.N. rules. Washington shouldn't go to war in some abstract pursuit of "international law."

Slightly more plausible, at least, is the argument that creating a democratic system in Iraq would provide a useful model for the rest of the Mideast. But that presupposes democracy can be easily planted, and that it can survive once the U.S. departs.

Iraq suffers from significant internal stresses. Convenient professions of unity in pursuit of democracy from an opposition once dismissed by Mideast special envoy and retired Gen. Anthony Zinni as "silk-suited, Rolex-wearing guys in London" offer little comfort and are likely to last no longer than have similar promises in Afghanistan.

Also problematic are Kurdish demands for autonomy and Shiite Muslim resistance to the central government. One defense official told the Washington Post: "I think it is almost a certainty that we'd wind up doing a campaign against the Kurds and Shiites." Wouldn't that be pretty? <

There are external threats as well. Particularly worrisome would be covert and possibly overt action by Iran, with which Baghdad fought a decade-long war and which might see intervention against a weakened Iraq as an antidote to serious political unrest at home.

Indeed, the U.S. backed Baghdad in its conflict with Iran and decided not to depose Saddam in 1991, in part out of fear of Iranian aggression throughout the Gulf should Iraq no longer provide a blocking role. Keeping the Iraqi Humpty Dumpty together after a war might not be easy.

Moreover, while Americans might see America's war on Iraq as a war for democracy, most Arabs would likely see it as a war for Washington. If the U.S. deposes Saddam, but leaves in place friendly but despotic regimes elsewhere — such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia — few Arabs would take America's democracy rhetoric seriously. Nor should they. Yet to go to war against everyone, including presumably Iran, Syria, and maybe others, would have incalculable consequences.

Saddam's complicity in September 11 would present a good argument for devastating retaliation for an act of war, but there's no evidence that he was involved. All that exists is a disputed meeting, which might not have occurred, in the Czech Republic between hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi official.

Certainly Saddam shed no tears over the thousands who died on that tragic day, but he has never been known to promote groups which he does not control. In contrast to Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein is no Muslim fanatic looking forward to his heavenly rewards; moreover, he heads a government and nation against which retaliation is simple.

Probably the best, at least the most fearsome, argument for overthrowing Saddam is the prospect of Baghdad developing weapons of mass destruction. Yet if nonproliferation should be enforced by war, Washington will be very busy in the coming years.

The problem is not just countries like Iran and North Korea, which seem to have or have had serious interest in developing atomic weapons. It is China, which could use them in any conflict with the U.S. over, say, Taiwan. And India, Pakistan, and Russia, which face unpredictable nationalist and theological currents, enjoy governments of varying instability, and offer uncertain security over technical know-how as well as weapons.

Potentially most dangerous is Pakistan's arsenal. The government of Pervez Musharraf is none too steady; Islamabad long supported the Taliban and its military and intelligence forces almost certainly contain al Qaeda sympathizers. It is easy to imagine nuclear technology falling into terrorist hands.

An Iraqi nuclear capability seems less frightening in comparison. Saddam would not use them against America, since to do so would guarantee his incineration. Israel possesses a similarly overbearing deterrent.

Would Baghdad turn atomic weapons over to al Qaeda or similarly motivated terrorists? Not likely.

First, it would be extraordinary for Saddam to give up a technology purchased at such a high price. Second, Baghdad would be the immediate suspect and likely target of retaliation should any terrorist deploy nuclear weapons, and Saddam knows this.

Third, Saddam would be risking his own life. Al Qaeda holds secular Arab dictators in contempt and would not be above attempting to destroy them as well as America.

Of course, the world would be a better place without Saddam's dictatorship. But there are a lot of regimes that should, and eventually will, end up in history's dustbin. That's not a good reason to initiate war against a state which poses no direct, ongoing threat.

Especially since war often creates unpredictable consequences. Without domestic opposition military forces to do America's dirty work, Washington will have to bear most of the burden. The task will be more difficult and expensive without European support and Saudi staging grounds.

If Iraq's forces don't quickly crumble, the U.S. might find itself involved in urban conflict that will be costly in human and political terms. If Baghdad possesses any weapons of mass destruction, Saddam will have an incentive to use them — against America, Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia — since Washington would be dedicated to his overthrow.

Further, the U.S. would be sloshing gasoline over a combustible political situation in friendly but undemocratic Arab regimes stretching from North Africa to Southeast Asia. Israelis and Palestinians are at war, America continues to fight Taliban and al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan as the pro-western government teeters on chaos, fundamentalist Muslims rule western Pakistan, and Muslim extremists are active a dozen other countries. Yet the administration wants to invade Iraq. Riots in Egypt, a fundamentalist rising in Pakistan, a spurt of sectarian violence in Indonesia, and who knows what else could pose a high price for any success in Iraq.

War is a serious business. Making war on a country which does not threaten the U.S. is particularly serious. Even if the optimists who think a campaign against Iraq would be easy are right, and we can only hope they are, war should be a last resort. As House Majority Leader Richard Armey warned, an unprovoked attack "would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation."

There's certainly no hurry to go to war. Nothing is different today from September 10, 2001, or any time since Iraq was ousted from Kuwait. Observes Jim Cornette, formerly an expert in biological warfare with the Air Force: "We've bottled [Saddam] up for 11 years, so we're doing okay."

There are times when Washington has no choice but to fight. Iraq is not such a place and now is not such a time.

— Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cato; onemontholdarticle; saddam; war
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To: ClearCase_guy
"For instance, that Saddam Hussein is an evil man who has brutalized his own people. "

Your comment;
This is a straw man argument. It is not why we're going to war. The reason the author brings it up is because it is so easy to knock down.

Are you saying that the administration has not used this as a reason? I think you need to watch more carefully. They have used it numerous times, it is easily discovered, they have used it all the time.

It may be easy to knock down, but it is not a strawman. I suggest you look that term up. It has to do with attributing postions to people which they do not hold. That is incorrect in this case.

61 posted on 09/24/2002 12:44:23 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Can I assume you advocate pre-emptive strikes against all regimes in the world who fit the same criteria?

Absolutely. Count me in. To stand by and ignore someone who continually threatens your death and contintually works at accomplishing it is idiotic.

Can you imagine having a neighbor who has repeatedly told you he wanted you and your family dead and was in the process of building a bomb big enough to accomplish it. He has already paid people to attack you. You are telling me the proper course of action is to wait until after he completes the bomb, moves it to your basement and lights the fuse before responding ? Not a rational response. But thats just my opinion.

62 posted on 09/24/2002 12:45:55 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: ThomasJefferson
My thoughtful consideration:


63 posted on 09/24/2002 12:46:00 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: ThomasJefferson
I have not taken a final postion on the question myself.

I'm not usually given to one word answers, but here goes....Chamberlain.

64 posted on 09/24/2002 12:46:35 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: ThomasJefferson
Well you have a wonderful way of twisting words, don't you? I trust what they say in public. Why? Because I have faith in the President and his administration. Looks like you need to give more credit to the administration. Or perhaps you don't trust the gov't in general. If this is the case, I seriously doubt any evidence presented will be to your liking.

As far as speculation, did you hear Blair's dossier? Did you read it? Is that not enough- let alone the numerous reports from UN Inspectors saying they were not given unfettered access in Iraq? Hell, even Scott Ritter (before he took the money from the Iraqi gov't) admitted he didn't have compete access. Oh, and let's not forget that even Koffe Anan admitted in July of this year that Iraq is in violation of the resolutions.

Now me, I could give a flying F___ what the UN thinks or does. But if Iraq and Saddam were completely innocent and had no intent of developing WMDs, then why refuse inspectors???? It defies logic because it is simply illogical.

You asked for honest replies. I've given you mine. Sorry if you don't agree with it. Didn't expect you to.

65 posted on 09/24/2002 12:46:53 PM PDT by rintense
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To: stuartcr; rintense
Except for the innocent ones that got killed

Could you please cite a source? I have not seen anything along those lines, in fact the contrary where families who lost loved ones in the fight for freedom were accepting of the sacrifice. They were not cowards, or willing to live in fear.

where do you live?

66 posted on 09/24/2002 12:47:20 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Please limit yourself to addressing the article and avoid attacking people who are of your own invention. Thank you for keeping the debate on a high level. I appreciate it.
67 posted on 09/24/2002 12:47:51 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
It is always important to raise questions about policy when it has far reaching consequences. It is the essence of the informed consent of the governed to the governors

Translation: We hate and don't trust George Bush, and we love the terrorists.

68 posted on 09/24/2002 12:48:36 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: stuartcr
Well you were the one who wanted to ask the Afghanis if they prefered death over the Taliban. Since many have said living under Taliban was like being dead anyway, you have your answer. Adieu, adieu, parting is such sweet sorrow...
69 posted on 09/24/2002 12:48:41 PM PDT by rintense
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To: RolandBurnam
"Nuke the sand nazis back to the stone age, wait they never left the stone age, well nuke them anyway."

It is a simple as you state. Why do so many dumb asses fail to see that. Well, even if we don't Nuke 'em Glowing, merely killing our enemies the conventional way will work for me. I wish we had more men like General George S. Patton.
70 posted on 09/24/2002 12:49:11 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: ThomasJefferson
Would Baghdad turn atomic weapons over to al Qaeda or similarly motivated terrorists? Not likely.

Very reassuring. Okay, guys, fold up the tents and let's go home.

71 posted on 09/24/2002 12:49:55 PM PDT by Whilom
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I have neither the time, nor the desire to do any research for your question, but do you truly believe that no innocent people were killed in the Gulf war, or in Afghanistan? If you do, fine, I don't.
72 posted on 09/24/2002 12:50:07 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I trusted in the need for 'honesty debate' replies. What a fool I was.
73 posted on 09/24/2002 12:50:39 PM PDT by rintense
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To: ThomasJefferson
No Thom. This is how most Americans feel. I know it may feel foreign to you, but most real Americans wanna kick the crap out of her enemies and get this thing over with. The more we dither, the more Americans die.
74 posted on 09/24/2002 12:51:17 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: rintense
I know OBL didn't have them. But, you said that Saddam might get them and he would then use them. I'm saying he has no chance whatsoever of obtaining ICBM's. Lets face it, he is not a threat to us. If he truely is, then you know our government would be showing us the proof. Do you think they would take all the abuse they have taken from the Dems if they actually had proof? If they had the "smoking guy" you had better believe we would be seeing it.
75 posted on 09/24/2002 12:51:18 PM PDT by gop4me
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To: Whilom
Yeah, 'not likely' seems like such a compelling argument, someone should forward this to the Bush Administration.
76 posted on 09/24/2002 12:51:33 PM PDT by rintense
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To: rintense
Agreed. Republican Congressmen on the News today stated they trust George Bush, and that this is not a War the media is painting, and that the gullible are believing (the lies and spin of the media). It is as Bush laid out in his speech to members of the House and Senate the week following 9-11.

These people are anti-war, and anti-Bush (and likely anti-Govt and authority), that's all.

77 posted on 09/24/2002 12:51:42 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ThomasJefferson
The rest of us will continue to debate this important decision until we make up our minds on whether we support this particular course of action or not.

For what it's worth, I held the article in higher regard than you, but then, my mind isn't already made up.

It's not as if I stopped thinking about the subject. I have been listening to the Senate testimony on the radio these last few days. I am paying attention. I just didn't see anything new or even very deep from this article. Mostly worn out cliches that don't make much sense to me.

78 posted on 09/24/2002 12:51:48 PM PDT by Huck
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To: ClearCase_guy
Better to light a candle than curse the darkness

I agree with you.

79 posted on 09/24/2002 12:53:06 PM PDT by Huck
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To: ThomasJefferson
Can I assume you advocate pre-emptive strikes against all regimes in the world who fit the same criteria?

IS that it? "Don't bomb Saddam, because that means bombing others like him"?

What is your Nationality? Thanks.

80 posted on 09/24/2002 12:53:52 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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