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Hackworth: Will Congress Blink Again?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/24/02 | David Hackworth

Posted on 09/24/2002 8:16:01 AM PDT by ninenot

History has repeatedly shown that the military solution is the least-desirable way to resolve conflict. Smart leaders know that "supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting" – as Sun Tzu wrote years ago – and exhaust all other options before they unleash the dogs of war.

Instead, our president seems single-mindedly obsessed with attacking Iraq. For months, the Bush war team has been talking up taking out Saddam and sneaking so many war toys into places like Qatar and Kuwait that it's a wonder our desert launching pads haven't already sunk from the weight of our pre-positioned gear and ammo.

So far, the emir of Kuwait has been picking up the tab for the American muscle deployed outside of his palace that lets him sleep at night without worrying about Iraqi tanks roaring through his front gate, as they did in 1990. But probably a key reason President Bush is so keen on pressing Congress to sanction his unrelenting march to battle is because thousands more armored vehicles and tens of thousands of warriors are already on the move. Since it will soon be impossible to hide the buildup or cost, Bush clearly needs congressional consensus before the boys, bombs and bullets become the lead story on prime-time television.

Now it looks as though Congress is about to give Bush the green light for his shootout with Saddam rather than standing tall and insisting that U.N. weapons inspectors get another go at defanging the monster.

Almost 40 years ago, Congress kowtowed to another president from Texas and approved the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution – based on the repeated lies of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that Red patrol boats had attacked U.S. warships on a supposedly routine mission off North Vietnam, which the senior admiral in the Pacific had predicted months before would provoke exactly this type of response and result in an escalation of the Vietnam War. Only Sens. Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska stood tall and voted "nay." When Morse chillingly predicted we'd lose the war and LBJ would go down in flames, most members of Congress responded that they were patriotically backing the president in a time of crisis.

Before Congress blinks again, rubber-stamping one of the few wars in our country's history in which we've fired the first shot, the members should visit the Vietnam Memorial and read every name aloud on that black wall before blindly accepting their party machines' go-along-to-get-along directives. They should ask themselves: Do I want to be remembered as a William Fulbright – who pushed LBJ's bad resolution through the Senate, knowing all the while that he was repeating McNamara's spin – or as a Morse or Gruening?

They should also match what the ordinary folks who elected them are saying against the national polls' war chantey, "Let's Push With Bush Into Baghdad." Last week, I visited four states, and all of the hundreds of average Joes and Janes I spoke with were for U.N. inspectors returning and our tightening the choke leash on Iraq enough that nothing gets in or out without going through a U.S.-manned checkpoint.

A Vietnam combat Marine told me: "Certainly Saddam is a tyrant and a threat to his neighbors. But so are the leaders of Syria, Iran, North Korea and, for that matter, Pakistan. All of our comrades who died in Vietnam and those of us who vowed 'never again' will now again watch another generation march off to war without the approval of the American people."

"Who'll pay for it?" asks another citizen. "We all know it'll be our kids. They're the ones who will pay, as it has been since the Revolutionary War. Those who reap the rewards are of a different category."

Congressmen and congresswomen, which category are you? Will you vote for your own political future or the future of our country and its current generation of defenders? Will you challenge the rush to war along with Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., who said last week that giving Bush the same broad, unchecked authority Congress gave LBJ is tantamount to allowing him to start a war and saying, "Don't bother me, I'll read about it in the newspapers"?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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To: ninenot
"Now it looks as though Congress is about to give Bush the green light for his shootout with Saddam rather than standing tall and insisting that U.N. weapons inspectors get another go at defanging the monster."

I got that far before I decided the rest of the article wasn't worth reading, that Hack's still gone pussy on us.

41 posted on 09/24/2002 10:51:00 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: muleboy
Hack has either taken too many shots to the head - or being in front of TV cameras with his crusty black turtleneck dicky -- is too addictive to give up.

To compare Vietnam to Iraq is insane..
To quote a Chinese General -- whose most violent weapon had a range of 200 yards is beyond ridiculas.

Is "General Hack" forgetting the past 10 years of Saddam's refusal to comply with the cease fire agreement.... Has "General Hack" forgotten that radical Islam is the CURRENT and MOST THREATENING enemy?
Has "General Hack" forgotten the thousands killed and celebrated by the radical Islamics - open encouraged and PAID bounty from Saddam?

Hack is aptly named -- He become a media hack.. In name and performance.

Semper Fi
42 posted on 09/24/2002 11:11:08 AM PDT by river rat
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To: Hugin
Actually I am still 'in the middle' on the question of attacking Iraq. Bush has done a good job of laying out the case--on the other hand, I have yet to have a clear picture of how our national interests are in clear and present danger from SadHus.

No question he's a bad guy--and I think Bush knows more than he's saying.

But please don't try to lionize McCain. He's an opportunist and an ego looking for a big enough universe to hold it...
43 posted on 09/24/2002 11:45:39 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: river rat
Cameras can certainly become addictive, but I think Hackworth is too old and too wise to allow fame and fortune to overrule his judgement. (Although his scheduled appearance on Oprah is as mystifying as his appearences on FOX are reassuring).

The parallels between the makeup, background, motivations, and rhetoric of the Kennedy and Bush administrations are eerily disturbing. Both seem to have something to prove and insufficiently prepared for "unintended consequences".

Human wisdom does not change with technological advances. Sun Tzu and Machiavelli are more relevant now than ever before.

What Hackworth is NOT forgetting is the abysmal record of U.S. political/foreign/military policy during his lifetime. Even the one time when most everything went according to plan, during Desert Storm, our political leadership managed to fail us.

44 posted on 09/24/2002 11:56:15 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: muleboy
I fear we shall see soon, just who has a better grasp on the situation, and the strength of leadership to guide us on the right path.

If Saddam does not buckle 100% to Bush's demands - war will come.

I suspect the results - either way - will be far more positive than the army of hand wringers would have us believe.

What I believe most forget - or refuse to acknowledge - is that to do NOTHING or do too little, will surely result in uncountable deaths in the U.S., killed by these crazy bastards. I have NO DOUBT on this point - at all.

Removing Saddam and his closest followers, is just removing one head from a multi-headed snake. It is simply an important first step.

Semper Fi
45 posted on 09/24/2002 12:29:52 PM PDT by river rat
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To: vbmoneyspender
The Art of War Sun Tzu
46 posted on 09/24/2002 12:40:39 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Huh? Hackworth would have been a young soldier
in the Nam. If he had been pacifist, how would he
have made it to Col?

Mad Vlad
47 posted on 09/24/2002 12:47:34 PM PDT by madvlad
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To: ninenot
"Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting" - Sun Tzu

Perhaps Sun Tzu had something in mind more akin to the following strategy:

Psychological Operation within the US military should be busy piecing together an audio and/or visual broadcast to blanket the airwaves of Iraq (to be unleashed just after the carpet-bombing ... but before the ground force invasion commences) in which their fearless leader commands that all members of his military lay down their arms and allow the "UN Weapons Inspectors" (a.k.a., 2nd Marine Division) to complete their job of "inspecting for Weapons of Mass Destruction" so that the nation of Iraq can prove once and for all to the Infidel Satanic Americans that Iraq is a peace loving nation.

We've gotta have reels and reels of audio on the guy. How tough could it be? If you thought the mass surrenders to jounalists were amusing in 1991, just envision what this disinformation could yield.


48 posted on 09/24/2002 12:56:29 PM PDT by CPL BAUM
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To: river rat
You are absolutely correct that doing nothing is the worst possible course.

In my estimation the best policies are, in descending order:

1. Covert destabilization including assassination by U.S. forces if opportunity presents itself.

2. Marshalling a broad coalition of multi-national forces around Iraq, inspiring some ambitious and enterprising Iraqi to execute "regime change" for us.

3. Surrounding Iraq with U.S. forces, without broad multi-national assistance, and offering Saddam a Somoza-like out, or engineering and assisting aforesaid ambitious Iraqi.

It is at the moment the U.S. attacks Iraq, without a comprehensive multi-national coalition's diplomatic, financial, and/or military support, that the historic legal/moral precedent will be established that would dramatically escalate the prospects of military actions by nations with similar claims to "preemption".

China with Taiwan, Russia with Chechnya, perhaps even Ukraine and Georgia, India and Pakistan over Kashmir, and the most contentious and complicating of theatres, Israel and it's enemies.

These examples are where the law of unintended consequences arising from a lack of adequate forethought, begin.

Where would it end? I doubt anyone would learn in my lifetime.

49 posted on 09/24/2002 1:03:41 PM PDT by muleboy
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To: fogarty
You must be a pretty brave guy to call those that are urging caution as cowards. While I don`t agree with them, I know they risked their lives several times fighting for our country. They aren`t cowards.
50 posted on 09/24/2002 1:06:58 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: bybybill
Please notice my sarcasm. Please notice my phrase "Bushbots list of cowards". These men are tried-and- true warriors. They ARE NOT cowards - except in the Bush-supporters' eyes. I've served under Zinni and know Marines who served under Van Riper. My point was - and continues to be - that freepers wantonly condemn the character of fine warriors when those warriors speak out with caution or concern on Bush's strategy.

Read any thread here in which a military man questions Rummy, and you will see such a condemnation without basis it will shock you.

51 posted on 09/24/2002 1:17:01 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: madvlad
Not quite - Hackworth actually saw combat back in WWII. By Vietnam he had already seen action in several wars and regional conflicts.
52 posted on 09/24/2002 1:18:29 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: muleboy
Why are you asumming that we forgot how to fight a war? Have a little faith.
53 posted on 09/24/2002 1:20:01 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: fogarty
Hack didn`t see action in WWll, he was stationed in Italy and the Balkans after the war and was in a few small gunfights. He did several tours in Vietnam.
54 posted on 09/24/2002 1:24:22 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: ninenot
Normally I respect the work of Hackworth. But here, he buys the lies of the Iraq regime about inspections as fully as Neville Chamberlain bought the lies of Hitler about German aggression. The Viet Nam analogy is false, and Hackworth should know it. Perhaps the Tonkin Gulf attack was faked or deliberately provoked, as he suggests.

But 9/11 was not provoked. And it DID happen. We all got to watch it live on TV. The proper analogy -- and as a literate military man Hackworth should know this -- is the War against the Barbary Pirates. That really happened, and in 1802 Congress gave President Jefferson the approval to go wherever and do whatever with the American military to shut down the pirates who were operating across several international borders.

The Muslim pirates then were actually not as bad as the Muslim terrorists today. Those Muslims seized our ships, crews and passangers while trying NOT to kill anyone -- because their goal was economic. The Barbary Pirates were at one point extracting one-fifth of the US federal budget in ransom payments to get our own ships and crews back.

Today's Muslims, on the other hand, are perfectly willing to kill as many Americans as they can. And they will keep at it until they are dead and their sources of money, support and weapons -- including but not limited to Iraq -- have been dispensed with.

It is a shame that Hackworth wrote, and World Net Daily published, such an historically dishonest piece.

Congressman Billybob

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55 posted on 09/24/2002 1:29:42 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: bybybill
I am not concerned that U.S. forces would execute a war incompetently. Desert Storm demonstrated our military's abilities and I believe them to have improved since then.

My concerns are the subsequent occupation/nation-building replicating our experiences in Vietnam and the Soviet's in Afghanistan. Our own experiences in occupying Afghanistan this year validate these concerns.

It is the political/military precedents we may set being used by other nations that constitute my objections to current stated administration policy.

56 posted on 09/24/2002 1:31:47 PM PDT by muleboy
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To: donozark
Col. Hackworth fought in/near Trieste. On Yugo/Italo border, post WW2.

Then he served in Korean War. 25th ID

Then VN. 2 or even 3(?) tours. Became disgruntled with war and moved to Autralia. Returned stateside circa 1989.

I do not always agree with him, but then I do not always agree with the voices inside my own head. However, Hackworth speaks with the voice of EXPERIENCE. Something the uninitiated will never understand...

57 posted on 09/24/2002 1:34:03 PM PDT by donozark
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To: r9etb
What did Hackworth say about Kosovo? is he being consistent?
58 posted on 09/24/2002 1:36:08 PM PDT by js1138
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To: ninenot
Those who have read their history books know the "what next" of Iraq. Think Germany. Think Japan. They get the government that we decide. They run it. We call the shots.

Worked just fine in both those nations. It'll work just fine in Iraq. I expect the initial stages of "what next" will be a military government by Iraqi generals who have decided that it's better to have Saddam dead and them alive, than the other way around. That's a fairly reasonable conclusion, don't you think?

Congressman Billybob

59 posted on 09/24/2002 1:36:44 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: muleboy
Our political leadership did not "fail us" in the Gulf War. Obviously you haven't read the declaration of war that Congress passed in 1991. It gave President Bush authority to conduct the war, but ONLY UNTIL Iraq was pushed out of Kuwait.

That President Bush obeyed the law and the Constitution by not going to Baghdad. This President Bush will also obey the law and the Constitution, but he WILL go to Baghdad. If you read the respective declarations of war you will understand the difference. They are both quoted, along with five others, in "Are we at war?" an article I wrote for United Press International, and posted on FR after UPI ran it on the wire.

Congressman Billybob

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Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

Click for "I am almost out of ideas"

60 posted on 09/24/2002 1:43:36 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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